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u/grad1939 5d ago

Dale Gribble: Hey John Redcorn, do your people even celebrate Thanksgiving?

John Redcorn: We did....once.

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u/CaptConstantine 5d ago

Nancy: You want another beer, sug'?

Dale and John Redcorn at the same time: Sure!

Dale: How did John Redcorn know I wanted another beer?

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u/trubb13tw1ns 5d ago

I love when Hank goes to John Redcorn’s trailer and John Redcorn offers him a beer, and Hank’s like “I’m afraid this isn’t a social call, John Redcorn” while accepting and opening the beer can lol

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u/Bread_crumb_head 5d ago

And respectfully threatens to kick his ass if he starts "healing" Peggy. The shot of the breeze whipping Redcorn's hair as they hold on that moment is so damn funny

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u/NR258Y 5d ago

I would never heal your wife the way I have healed the wives of others

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u/Bread_crumb_head 5d ago

Lmao. "Nancy, I've been, um..." * Redcorn glances over at Dale watching them argue* "healing you three to five times a week for 15 years. I could use a day off."

"Why? Did I do something wrong as your...patient?"

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u/Mediocre-Sale8473 4d ago

Man that show was so well-written

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u/KathrynTheGreat 5d ago

His hair is often blowing in the breeze when he speaks. It might be every time, but I'm not 100% sure.

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u/Bread_crumb_head 5d ago

Yeah they regularly have shots highlighting how dang handsome he is lol

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u/trubb13tw1ns 5d ago

“….I will!”

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u/Bread_crumb_head 5d ago

Nancy on phone with Redcorn: "I have to cancel tonight's healing session...I have a headache."

Redcorn: "So? Take an aspirin."

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u/VideoProfessi86 5d ago

Hank was just being respectful

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u/Thro_Me_Under 5d ago

Just went to YouTube to watch that. Thank you for that piece of pure gold lmao

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u/GhostlyRuse 5d ago

Why would I care that my father's gay. John Redcorns gay and I've been friends with him for years

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u/Jimid41 5d ago edited 5d ago

Dale: I caught you!

John Redcorn: Dale this isn't how I wanted you to find out.

Dale: Stop screwing around with my mower and get inside and start massaging my wife.

John Redcorn to Nacy: You know he's starting to take the fun out of this.

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u/Kickenkitchenkitten 5d ago

There was an episode where Peggy was threatening Minh and Nancy into silence about Peggy's negotiation of a new car.

"I have something on each of you! John Redcorn!" And then she says something in Laotian to Minh.

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u/Luurk_OmicronPersei8 5d ago edited 4d ago

Very interesting! Was that the "pay sticker price, and not a penny more" episode or a different one? I'm gonna go back and watch that now just for this and I'll see if I can Google translate the Laotian

"Cigar powder bought and with the state"

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u/ora408 5d ago

Its been 3 hours! Cmoooon

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u/Whatatimetobealive83 5d ago

When John trips Dale’s trap and gets shot in the ass with a bb.

Dale: I know what you’re after! Stay away from my lawnmower and get inside and massage my wife.

John to Nancy: He’s taking some of the fun out of this.

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u/compactdigital1 5d ago

To be fair Nancy called everyone sug'.

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u/Bread_crumb_head 5d ago

One or two 'sugs, 'sug?

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u/HavohejPantocrator 5d ago

Even God, lol. "Whyyy Suug?"

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u/Phantom_61 5d ago

And has Dale ever said no to another beer? There’s so many explanations. lol

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u/AppalachianMarxist 5d ago

That's correct but in that scene they both respond to being called "honey."

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u/megamanxoxo 5d ago

"I DON'T KNOW YOU!"

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u/Philip_Marlowe 5d ago

"THAT'S MY PURSE!"

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u/canadarepubliclives 5d ago

Peggy: Bobby, you will find that I do not have testicles

Kahn: she's bluffing! Finish her!

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u/Thro_Me_Under 5d ago

Omfg i just went on YouTube and watched the best of John redcorn lmao. Love this

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u/timenspacerrelative 5d ago

KotH is such a great show xD

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u/filthy_kasual 5d ago

It's on repeat constantly in my apartment. Best slice of life anime ever

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u/comin_up_shawt 5d ago

Dale: My Nancy's headaches have gotten so bad, she's starting to get scratch marks down her back!

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u/Phytor 5d ago

John Redcorn: my people used to own all of the land in Arlen, now we have nothing.

Dale: I didn't know you came from money.

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u/ruka_k_wiremu 4d ago

🤣

I'm gonna go back to KotH for just the right kinda nostalgia I'm needin' atm

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u/calibared 5d ago

Brilliant show

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u/edditorRay 5d ago

Amazing show. Cautiously optimistic about what the rumored reboot will be

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u/foomits 5d ago

I trust Mike Judge... but reboots rarely work out.

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u/Ninja_Biden 5d ago

I enjoyed the new Beavis and Butthead reboot

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u/foomits 5d ago

Yea, that's true. But I feel like KOTH has more moving parts, makes it challenging.

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u/HamPotatoe 5d ago

I think the climate for a "good Ol boy grown up" has changed a lot too. I trust Mike Judge but I don't know if that audience is still there.

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u/turdferguson3891 5d ago

I assume Bobby is living in Austin and doing alternative comedy or something. It would be interesting to see how he and Hank interact as adults.

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u/Burner131415 5d ago

In what universe do you expect Adult Bobby Hill to be a “Good ‘Ol Boy”

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u/pilotpip 5d ago

I disagree. It’s a perfect time. Hank was a good ol’ boy set in his ways, but at the same time he showed remarkable growth and acceptance of new and different ideas. That is, as long as it didn’t challenge sweet lady propane.

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u/Schenkspeare 5d ago

Well he does have some experience with cartoon reboots

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u/trundlinggrundle 5d ago

I'm expecting to be a weird mix of current references and fan service. It's also supposed to take place 10 years after the series. I don't really have high hopes for it. I feel like he's going to write 8 episodes, not sure if it'll be renewed, so he'll pack in as much as possible, losing the charm of the show.

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u/digitalOctopus 5d ago

I’ve enjoyed the beavis and butthead reboot quite thoroughly

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u/VanillaGorilla59 5d ago

Where can one watch it?

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u/decadrachma 5d ago

It was cancelled already actually.

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u/resisting_a_rest 5d ago

Not really canceled, just not picked up by Fox, it can go to other networks, but who knows?

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u/ZigZag82 5d ago

In middle of binge watching KOTH for first time. Never watched it before.

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u/Aeronautix 5d ago

Was KOTH in KOTOR 1 or 2?

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u/3rdTimes-TheCharm 5d ago

No no no, Koth was the snow planet from Star Wars.

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u/ItsGeneTheDeadRaven 5d ago

What makes this even funnier is that there is a character named Koth in SWTOR, which is the MMORPG sequel to the KOTOR series. XD

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Koth_Vortena

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u/balloonman_magee 5d ago

Peggy Hill: Jo-haaaawn-redcorn.

John Redcorn: Pe-heeeeeeey-gy Hill

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u/MadNhater 5d ago

Hahaha. I forgot that line. That was dark.

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u/timenspacerrelative 5d ago

Now get inside and start massagin' my wife!

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u/ehenning1537 5d ago

The modern Thanksgiving celebration was invented by Lincoln as a celebration for beating the South at Gettysburg. Prior to that it was just harvest festivals and Evacuation Day - a celebration of the day the British left after the revolutionary war.

There’s no actual evidence that any Thanksgiving celebration took place between natives and pilgrims. In 1632 the Narragansetts attacked the Wampanoag so they also definitely weren’t just hanging around peacefully trading beads and smoking pipes.

The tribe that participated in the “original thanksgiving” ended up attacking the settlers and burning dozens of New England villages just a generation later. They burned Providence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Philip%27s_War

They also still live there. 91 members of the tribe still occupy their reservation on Martha’s Vineyard.

The guys in this photo are Lakota Sioux I believe and they’re mad about what amounts to a treaty dispute over the Black Hills. Most of what they want is a national park. So good luck to them on that. They were thousands of miles from the first Pilgrims and didn’t encounter white people until Lewis and Clark.

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u/Empyrealist 5d ago

Providence is flaming to this day

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u/dudinax 5d ago

One nit to pick: They undoubtedly had encountered the French before Lewis and Clark.

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u/maybeamarxist 5d ago

"A treaty dispute" is an interesting way to describe the United States just blatantly violating the treaty by force

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u/Muninwing 5d ago

You skipped over some important motivation in your “they attacked a generation later” — regime change and incoming settlers.

The original chief — Massasoit — was an ally to the early settlers. He helped the Pilgrims survive. The actual thanksgiving celebration may be a factual question, but the sharing of food and cooperation it symbolized is well documented.

However, Massasoit’s two sons disagreed about the future of the settlement. The older — Wamsutta — was in favor of continuing and growing the relationship. The younger — Metacomet — believed that they were the first wave of a de facto invasion, and needed to be slowed or even stopped.

Hard to argue with him, since he was right.

Had Wamsutta not been falsely accused of conspiring to attack the colonies, and either grown ill or been poisoned, the leadership would not have passed to Metacomet. But had the colonies demanded the tribes give up their weapons and subject themselves to English Law, Metacomet would not have had any Allie’s to lead in protest.

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u/BlitheringIdiot0529 5d ago

Always a classic line I think of on this day.

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u/Kumayatsu 5d ago

John Redcorn: wake up just want to...

Wash myself, clean my wrist, scrub my brains out

Hey ya hey ya hey ya hey, hey ya hey, hey ya hey ya

They'll miss me when I do

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u/Hunkuvluv 5d ago

Is he wearing a Cleveland Indians hat and Chicago Blackhawks shirt?

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u/liverm 5d ago Starry

I can't speak for the Indians (now Guardians), but the Chicago Blackhawks originally took their name from nickname the division their founder was in during WWI, which was indeed named after the Sauk figure Black Hawk. I'm not sure how long they've been working with Native tribes, but before every game, they read off an acknowledgement that Chicago is built on the land of various tribes, and have been working closely with Native groups to give them a larger platform and immense contributions to their communities. Their name and logo is also a lot more respectful than the Redskins and Chief Wahoo. The Redskins logo was pretty cool though, just had a nasty name.

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u/SpaceGangsta 5d ago

The American Indian Center of Chicago got a new Director who ended the partnership with the team. Most of the Chicago native groups are against it these days. As a native Chicagoan and lifelong hawks fan, it sucks to see the shift due to national influence. But as long as the Hawks are a billion dollar team, it’s not going to change. It’s one of the most iconic logos in professional sports.

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u/IAMABobby 5d ago

The Redskins are a $4 billion team with a logo and mascot even more recognizable than the Blackhawks. Now the storied Redskins are known as the... Commanders.

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u/Zarkdion 5d ago

The Commies!

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u/Shaking-N-Baking 5d ago

This is what i call em too. They really just should of kept “football team”, it grew on me and made them unique

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u/WillsGood 5d ago

Hahaha right? Originally everyone was not with it, but by the end of it they felt right just being called “football team”

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u/DrDragon13 5d ago

Out of all the teams in the NFL, they most certainly are a Football Team.

The only problem I had was constantly reading WFT as WTF

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u/moltenprotouch 5d ago

Redskin is an ethnic slur, though. Blackhawk is not.

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u/TheAlbacor 5d ago

Yeah, hockey teams are nothing in scope compared to the NFL. Not all professional leagues are equal.

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u/delightfuldinosaur 5d ago edited 5d ago

I'm a Blackhawks fan and just so tired of the logo controversy that I wouldn't care if they changed it to an actual black hawk at this point.

Just keep the name.

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u/pincus1 5d ago

That's kind of funny given one of the most common suggestions for the Redskins name change was Redhawks.

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u/ScottyBoneman 5d ago

I've heard there are far less problems with the Blackhawks as it's a specific person, and the Seminoles see it more as representation.

Not sure Red Skins had that.

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u/ethan_prime 5d ago

Yeah, Chief Black Hawk was an actual person. And the Seminole tribe gave their blessing to the university and and works works with them.

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u/burtonrider10022 5d ago

I saw a video about how the Seminole tribe even does like opening ceremony events at the games and the university offers scholarships to the members, so it's a mutually beneficial arrangement

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u/johnnybatts 5d ago

That's actually really cool of them to offer scholarships. Had no idea.

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u/ChimneyCraft 5d ago

Im an alum. I believe we give anyone who is part of the tribe a full scholarship. And then the Chief Osceola mascot is a student (not sure if they’re from the tribe or not. But I’ve heard they usually have to be from the tribe) has to be chosen and have “great character.” And the clothes he wears is sewn by the women from the tribe.

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u/NewNole2001 5d ago

Chief Osceola was white, or mostly white. The student who represents him during football games is almost always white, but he's painted in makeup by tribal members to look the way they want him to look. I watched them get him ready just before the National Championship game in 2014.

I know you didn't mention this, I'm replying to your comment to add context for folks who might look at a white kid in brown face makeup and wonder how the heck that's considered okay in 2022. It's okay because it's tribal members doing the makeup.

The Seminole Tribe of Florida's relationship with Florida State University is very special. There's a reason we are still allowed to call ourselves The Florida State Seminoles.

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u/username_1774 5d ago

Every Seminole is a Millionaire by their 18th Birthday. With fewer than 10,000 Seminole alive today, and annual distributions from the Tribal Trust of $128,000 (as of 2021) paid into trust for each child until they are 18 years of age...on their 18th Birthday each Seminole is worth about $2.5m personally and has an income for life.

I'm not saying that Fl. St. isn't offering them Scholarships...just pointing out that there is a very small, very wealthy population of Seminole.

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u/absentmindedjwc 5d ago

Same with University of Illinois mascot Chief Illiniwek - members of the tribe actually taught the current mascot dances so that he would be accurate.

But a bunch of people got offended for them and pushed for UofI to change mascots. :/

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u/Philip_Marlowe 5d ago

I only saw the Chief dance once, during my freshman year. It was amazing. 20,000 people all went silent in reverence - not what you'd expect at a college basketball game

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u/BrokeInService 5d ago

GIMME BACK MY EDMONTON ESKIMOS!!

Signed, a disappointed Inuk

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u/holymacaronibatman 5d ago

Fsu heavily involves the Seminole nation in what they do, and gets approval for it.

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u/JeanRalfio 5d ago

An elder told me back in the day him and his buddies would buy Redskins gear for the logo but take off the word team name.

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u/boost_deuce 5d ago

I mean, there is a school on the reservation in Arizona with their mascot as the redskins so I think you are right

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u/MisterMetal 5d ago

seminoles get paid by Florida state a yearly sum to use the name, as well as they have a bunch of programs, trips, and scholarships for the native students. its a very good deal for them i believe.

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u/oldnative 5d ago

Some of us natives will wear it as it at least some form of representation. Some of us hate it because stylized false idols, even if not explicitly racist, are not what we want and find it gross.

I see the old racial slur NFL team still on the reservation. I also see the racist caricature as well. Pretty much daily.

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u/Mistersinister1 5d ago

I dated a native when I lived in Colorado and she was ok with the cooking of mountains of food and when she asked me if I was doing Thanksgiving I gave her a strange look and she confirmed that Columbus is a twat and we like a good feast like anyone else. So I cooked a damn good dinner for her and her family. I too felt the same way, I just like cooking and eating on this day. I don't ever remember giving thanks to the pilgrims. She was an FBI as they or her family liked to put it and welcomed me in their family without prejudice. Amazing family and we're still on great terms 15 plus years later.

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u/titanicx 5d ago

Most natives rock the Indian great. The Redskins were very popular overall. As a native it was my favorite team for decades.

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u/CholentPot 5d ago

I used to work with American Indians. They always asked to bring Cleveland Indians hats back. Specifically the ones with Chief Wahoo on it. It was 'their' team.

They did not like the name change at all. They feel that they're getting erased from public consciousness.

I'm sure they don't speak for all AI peoples but that's my experience.

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u/GuardTheBases 5d ago

There were also Native Americans protesting Wahoo and the name at Opening Day every day for years. I totally appreciate there were some people who like the use of native american mascots, but there are definitely those who don’t.

I think Clevelands downfall was it was hard to ignore how unacceptable a Wahoo for any other ethnicity would be. There was also a tendency of redface at playoff games that was really cringey. And the redskins being a slur. But the Blackhawks and Braves will probably be fine for a long time

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

Considering the photo, I'd suspect that he's being ironic.

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u/1800cheezit 5d ago edited 5d ago

Somewhere in an alternate universe where the U.S. lost the revolutionary war, these people are flipping off a statue of King George III and Queen Elizabeth.

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u/TheNightManCometh420 5d ago

If that were the case, I don’t think there would have been any native Americans left to be flipping them off lol

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u/awfullotofocelots 5d ago

Britain controlled the Canadian territories until after America's Civil War and people from the First Nations still exist to flip off the British.

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u/theWaywardSun 5d ago

Not for lack of fucking trying.

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u/UnoriginalCube 5d ago

Assimilation vs Elimination (Canada - USA)

You want a decent read, The Inconvenient Indian by Thomas King is a good read if you like dry wit and he covers both systems (not in depth, but a good over view).

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u/jackp0t789 5d ago

Not necessarily, the British had better relations with the natives than the US.

One of the reasons for the revolution was King George prohibiting further colonial expansion westward across the Appalachians into Native territory.

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u/UnoriginalCube 5d ago edited 5d ago

Canadian Indigenous peoples would like a word.

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u/squeeb_z 5d ago

Great Britain actually tried to restrain the westward expansion of American colonists into Native territory. It was one of the flash points of the American civil war.

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u/ohno_spaghetti_o 5d ago

Eh. The US did exactly what the UK did if compared to other countries. Kill off food supplies, force native population off land to unsustainable areas, expose them purposefully to diseases and poverty. The US were from the UK and had all their tactics. And they used them. It all looks the same from a native populations pov.

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u/tgifmondays 5d ago

Explain?

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u/waiver 5d ago

He never read a history book

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u/ProfessionallyJudgy 5d ago

I dont know about that. One of the grievances the patriots lobbed at King George was that England wasn't letting colonists settle past the Appalachian mountains and pushed them to respect treaties with the indigenous nations. The British weren't great to the indigenous nations but I don't think they'd have been worse.

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u/username_1774 5d ago

As a percentage of population Canada has more indigenous citizens than America.
Canada has 1.8m Indigenous people out of 38m people = 4.7%
America has 5m Indigenous people out of 330m people = 1.5%

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u/PlatinumPOS 5d ago edited 5d ago

Literally one of the reasons the revolution happened was so that the colonies would be able to expand further. Britain had put a halt to it. They were more interested in extracting resources than “moving in”, and had no interest in killing native people the way the United States did.

Also, while the British Empire was not “good” by any means, they did outlaw slavery long before the US, and they didn’t have to kill/subdue a significant portion of their own population to do it.

People often forget (or never learned) just how brutal and genocidal the early US really was.

Happy Thanksgiving! . . . lol

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u/WarmRecommendation41 5d ago

Britain was the first to outlaw slavery, Britain then used its power to pressure Portugal, Sweden, France, Netherlands and finally the Spanish to pass their own versions of the Slave Trade Act 1807. I believe it was also in that order.

While Britain is responsible for the trafficking of around half a million slaves (i dont think any other nation comes close to that number). Not only did it end slavery in one of the largest empires to exist, but pressured the other large nations of the time into also abolishing slavery.

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u/Commogroth 5d ago

Most people forget, or were never taught, how mutually brutal natives and early colonists were to each other in the early years and how that set the stage for relations for the next several hundred years.

From the earliest Jamestown winters where 2/3 of the colonists would starve in part because stepping outside the walls to forage and farm met almost certain attack by natives, to a massive attack in 1622 that killed 1/3 of all colonists in Virginia......the Natives were far from innocent in how things unfolded.

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u/RiledAstaldo 4d ago

Honestly the enormous amount of people I’ve experienced my entire life who have this insane view of native Americans and indigenous peoples as one with nature is one of the most insanely racist things in my mind.

They’re human beings.

They raped, they warred, they murdered, they schemed, they slaughtered, they genocided, they killed and fucked children, they were humans who warred and conquered and hated and loved.

Their culture and sense of politics and how diplomacy works wasnt in line with the common sense of it in European cultures at the time sure, but Christ. They were people at a severe technological and warfare education disadvantage compared to European conquerors.

Acknowledging they were human beings doesn’t mean they deserved their genocide, but black and white is aggressively disingenuous. And you can acknowledge that the colonists were more “in the wrong” while also pointing out it was slightly more complicated than a bunch of untouched white people killing and conquering purely for fun and resources.

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u/Commogroth 4d ago

Well put; I agree 100%.

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u/HomestoneGrwr 5d ago

Netflix had a movie about Natives being raped and claimed that "Natives didn't commit sexual assault before the Europeans showed up". They claimed there was no such thing. So yeah there are plenty of people that think the Native Americans were all just chilling and that all the violence was one way.

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u/Commogroth 5d ago

The amount of ignorance regarding Native Americans is mind-blowing. Someone could write a book about the insane history revision that has gone on in the last 50 years regarding them. I mentioned to a friend that a great number of Native tribes practiced slavery-- many of them actively engaging in war and raids against other tribes specifically to acquire more slaves-- and he thought I was making it up. Refused to believe it.

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u/AbnormallyBendPenis 5d ago edited 4d ago Silver Helpful Starry

This guy’s post history tells me that there is an 90% chance that it’s a Chinese/Russian troll bot working full time to create division in American society. And no I’m not American, just my personal observation.

Edit: One of the top comment posted the original HD photo, annnnnd the photo seems to be edited or fake. Not sure why mods don’t do fact check on this sub :/

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u/TheHappySmiler 5d ago

Mods? Doing anything? For this sub!!??

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u/Nix-7c0 5d ago

You're likely right - this particular image was Breitbart style rage-bait meme several years back, often titled something like "Ungrateful immigrants spit on America!" or "They break into our country, steal our resources, and EVIL LIBS defend them!" Even though, you know, they're natives who got their own land broken into, and their sacred mountain stolen and destroyed for this jingoistic monstrosity/grift.

It gets high engagement though so it's a favorite of both reactionaries and bots.

https://www.powwows.com/familys-mount-rushmore-photo-goes-viral/

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u/JayY1Thousand 5d ago

Mods never fact check anything when it comes to China either. That's how it feels

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u/Fuzz557 5d ago edited 5d ago

I saw this photo earlier today or yesterday in some sub on my feed. There eyes were all red. This is most likely a AI generated image.

EDIT- I found it. ironically its was in r / pics by the same dude.

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u/Eggy-Toast 4d ago

What the fuck? That just blew my mind.

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u/beigs 5d ago edited 4d ago

Holy crap they just keep posting and posting. If not Chinese, then some kind of other bot.

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u/Zoltrahn 5d ago

Chinese bot

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u/PaperBoyy8 5d ago

Yeah he posts multiple times every single day, it’s obvious that it’s a bot or he’s being paid to spread propaganda

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u/Velinian 5d ago

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u/dudermagee 5d ago

The government actually did a study on that a while back....

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u/moving0target 5d ago

Again? Already? This was just up a few hours ago...besides the millions of previous reposts over the years.

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u/vall370 5d ago

Every year for the last five years or so...

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u/NeverPostsGold 5d ago

Some moron posted an awful AI upscaled version previously. This is why the post of the original.

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u/Reaperzeus 5d ago

It's the same moron. Check their post history

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u/Burgoonius 5d ago

You're tellin me this photo has never been posted here?

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u/Bustyposers 5d ago Brighten My Day

Just FYI they are not just flipping off the presidents. That monument was carved in a mountain in the back hills of SD. Land that is considered sacred by most north American tribes.

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u/bruce656 5d ago edited 5d ago

Also, all the scree at the base of the mountain is what was discarded from the carving process and left there after the project ran out of money.

Imagine if contractors showed up and started building a house in your back yard, quit halfway through, and then left all the garbage? That's basically what happened here.

Here's the mountain when it was known as Six Grandfathers. Notice the area is completely clear of all the rubble?

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u/Maditen 5d ago

^ correct, so not only was the land sacred before the monuments but it was desecrated with the creation of the monuments.

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u/Spyt1me 5d ago

And it was an ugly message towards the natives that "this is our lands now"

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u/SlappaDaBassMahn 5d ago

Just FYI this is a AI generated image. Zoom in to their hands

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u/esmifra 5d ago

Are you going to repost this every day until Thanksgiving?

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u/joshberry90 5d ago

It was originally already a Native American heritage site.

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u/fencerman 5d ago

More than that, the entire Black Hills region was promised in perpetuity to Indigenous people, treaties that were violated as soon as there were natural resources found there.

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u/Thomas_K_Brannigan 5d ago

And the sculptor of Mt. Rushmore had very close ties to the KKK. So many terrible things about is its creation!

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u/Slam_Burgerthroat 5d ago

Dude in the early 1900s everyone had ties to the KKK. They were so big at the time they were almost a quasi-political party.

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u/fencerman 5d ago

Dude in the early 1900s everyone had ties to the KKK.

That's bullshit and you know it.

There were a ton of people who thought they were a bunch of bastards even if they had supporters, or else there never would've been a movement to arrest and destroy them.

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u/psyche13 5d ago

It's still apparently known as a KKK meeting site. They were there when I visited, but that was about 15 years ago.

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u/JuiceJones_34 5d ago

I respect being a Cleveland Indians fan tho for the guy

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u/MungTao 5d ago

Once I learned they ran out of funding and just left all the shit there I can never unsee that mess beneath it.

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u/Bowens1993 5d ago

Seems weird to pretend like their ancestors didn't steal land either.

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u/Phx82 5d ago

You act like the native Americans didnt steal each others land for years before the white man did it. Don't be mad cause they were better at it than you.

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u/Khajiit_hairball 5d ago

Side note: Isn’t it totally trashy that they just left the rubble in a big pile below the monument? I mean, why not pay a little extra to haul it away?

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u/Trips-Over-Tail 5d ago

Because they ran out of money. They couldn't even finish Washington's torso.

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u/CapitanChicken 5d ago

Well, he also died before he could finish.

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u/ska_robot 5d ago

Behind the monument is a tunnel that was supposed to be a 'Hall of Records' where the declaration of independence was suppose to live. But all that was done before the sculptor died was a stairway to nowhere.

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u/TheNightManCometh420 5d ago

So you think that if they hadn’t run out of money but he had still died prior to completion, they would still just say “nah that’s enough” lol

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u/Ape_Togetha_Strong 5d ago

It just looks like every other scree/talus slope.

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u/offalt 5d ago

pay a little extra to haul it away

I'm dieing. This is super funny.

Besides, the original intention was to carve the rest of their bodies.

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u/admdelta 5d ago

I don't know why but this gives me a mental image of their bodies being hidden underground resembling this picture of Dugtrio

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u/WastaHod 5d ago

It is like finishing any project, this one was not completed and left.

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u/Hagenaar 5d ago

The "rubble" is the least trashy thing about the monument. When the rest of the faces weather and fall off, it'll be like a typical mountain's scree slope

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u/Warjak 5d ago

Yeah, scree is super normal. They just vastly accelated the accumulation.

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u/namorblack 5d ago

Guys. Stop reposting this picture. Zoom in. Its obviously manipulated. Come on.

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u/33number 5d ago

This is like gay porn for redditors. Karma fishing and OP knows it

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u/berloiz13 5d ago

Don't get me wrong like it get it but whenever any takes a picture where they are flipping something off it just makes them look like teenage trash

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u/LeBronFanSinceJuly 5d ago

I mean at least two of them appear to be of that age group.

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u/Alt-One-More 5d ago

I cringe everytime I see these "_____ gives _____ the middle finger" posts.

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u/JayRam85 5d ago

After the photo was taken, they all went about their day, like nothing had happened.

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u/OysterTongs 5d ago

Right because we have free speech and you can make a gesture like this so why wouldn't they go about their day afterwards?

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u/QuiGonChuck 5d ago Silver

Yup, this edgy dumb shit bein posted once again

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u/PresOfTheLesbianClub 5d ago

I’m guessing it was posted today bc it’s Thanksgiving in the US.

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u/Rodgers4 5d ago

Every few months it seems. Plus, didn’t the Lakota Sioux only have that land for like 60 years prior. They got it by forcibly removing another tribe, but because they themselves were forcibly removed they cry foul.

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u/escailer 5d ago

I always wondered about that anytime “returning” land is brought up? Which of the various tribes that fought and killed each other over the generations are we giving it “back” to?

Conquer by war didn’t seem to be too controversial a tactic, well until a boat shows up full of people more than 5,000 years more technologically advanced shows up one day. Hell that would make me nervous too.

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u/horsemagicians 5d ago

Nobody cares about that detail. White Starbucks enthusiasts only care about how many points it’ll get them on Twitter. Turns out civilizations for 1000s of years would wage war to take land from others. It wasn’t a creation of white people.

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u/Falcon4242 5d ago edited 5d ago

They're crying foul because this land was subject to a treaty with the US government, the Treaty of Fort Laramie in 1868. The land was officially declared Sioux land. But then gold was discovered, and the US government unilaterally annexed the land in 1877.

We're not talking about ancient 17th century history when we were first starting as a colony and warred with the natives to establish our initial borders. We're talking post-civil war. We literally declared the land as theirs, then broke it when we saw dollar signs. SCOTUS even declared the annexation as illegal in 1980 and awarded the Sioux over $100 million because of it, but they rejected the money because they wanted the land back.

When our own government says what we did was wrong and illegal, yeah, no shit they're going to be upset about it.

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u/DukeOfGeek 5d ago edited 5d ago

The Rise and Fall of the Lakota Empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-fQo8zmiPQ

They taxed the original tribes and made Lewis and Clark and the Spanish pay tolls. They demanded and received tribute from the Federal government that included ammunition and small pox vaccines and were just generally badass and some of the best light cavalry in history.

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u/SeattleResident 5d ago

Well they also committed a little genocide of their own when they first went westward. Originally from the Minnesota/Great Lakes area before being pushed out by the Europeans. Took their abundance of horses they had either traded for or taken from the Europeans and laid waste to the tribes they encountered when moving west. Tribes that didn't have horses or the sheer number of them due to not being so close to the new arrivals. It was like shooting fish in a barrel for the Sioux. A lot of tribes hated them more than the Europeans due to their constant attacks.

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u/YNot1989 5d ago

They conqured it in 1776 and drove off the actual native tribes, folks who'd lived there for 300 years.

Anyone who reads the history of the Sioux will come away not giving a hot shit about their winging about the Black Hills.

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u/JackandFred 5d ago

Yeah and don’t read about how the “six grandfathers” name came about, it only gets sillier

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u/wolfpack_charlie 5d ago

What's edgy about it?

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u/shjandy 5d ago

Went out of their way to use the first amendment lol

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u/TrapperJon 5d ago

Isn't this the family that bigots on social media told to go back to Mexico?

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u/NFL-employed 5d ago

People TRIED to settler there a few at a time. Mostly the French. The Indians found then rude & deceitful either killed them or they escaped for their lives. Therefore NO ONE SETTLED there until the PILGRIMS. When Capt. ALLEN arrived with the Pilgrims they seemed to be able to make peace with the Natives and through contracts agreed by both (Mayflower Compact) being one, the 2 different groups of people seemed to make it work out. Then Myles Standish appears and he stirs up trouble. And he is responsible for the relations & communication breakdowns with lies of the natives planning attacks in order to get then Governor Bradford to let him get a group of men(pilgrims) together and attack the Indians first. Such as the attack in WEYMOUTH MASS.

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u/NFL-employed 5d ago

I don't mind the history lesson I'm giving you but if you stop using Wikipedia for your education you might actually learn the true facts.

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u/AnimeAdd1ct 5d ago

Op is so desperate for attention on Thanksgiving he really has been reposting the same shit picture for the past 8 hours lmfao very sad.

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u/chainsaw105 5d ago

so fun fact is that these folks belong to a family from a native tribe that ALSO stole this land from a DIFFERENT native tribe before the Europeans grabbed it off of them. But hey white man bad right

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u/Kryptic_Nave 5d ago

I agree with their message, however I can’t help but wonder if you have such disdain why go there?

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u/DakkinByte 5d ago

So indigenous.

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u/NEEKALAS 4d ago

The US is so far removed from what their Native American ancestors had at the time. These three are as American as the rest of the population, they’d hate living in an America ran by natives from the past.

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u/ForeheadWrinkle 5d ago

Cool. Pass the mashed potatoes please.

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u/Aggressive_Ad5115 5d ago

And gravy

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u/Hibernia624 5d ago

And biscuits!

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u/Kanobe24 5d ago

I remember some idiots online telling these people to go back to their country

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u/UnknownIchor 5d ago

I like reading how angry a lot of these comments are

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u/Scubawookie 5d ago

ooooo so edgy