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iPhone overtakes Android to claim majority of US smartphone market Phones

https://www.engadget.com/iphone-overtakes-android-us-market-share-223251196.html
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u/n351320447 Sep 04 '22

Someone pulled out an android in a study group I was in and another guy said “ This guy” . Like if the guy pulled out some joke object.

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u/pablonieve Sep 04 '22

I'm not invited to the messaging group with my wife and our friends because my phone doesn't have imessage.

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u/RepulsiveSherbert927 Sep 05 '22

Same here lol. When they have a party and "forget" to tell us about it, I call it an iPhone party.

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u/FrancMaconXV Sep 04 '22

When meeting new people I've always found it odd how comfortable they are with instantly shitting on the fact I have an android.

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u/nroe1337 Sep 04 '22

Apple has been capitalizing on this mindset for years

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u/ElJamoquio Sep 05 '22

Apple is the one creating this mindset.

They don't make interfacing with Android phones difficult unintentionally.

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u/CA_Mini Sep 05 '22

Mac vs PC became iPhone vs ANdroid

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u/libra00 Sep 05 '22

Decades, not years - nigh on 40 years in fact. My dad was a certified Apple technician from the mid 80s to early 90s, working on original Mac 128Ks and shit and I have seen and heard through him (and many other sources obviously) that there has always been an air of superiority among people who owned macs instead of PCs since the beginning. And Apple has maintained an absolute death-grip on their proprietary hardware to make sure those folks paid a premium for it and nothing like clone PCs happened (they sued at least couple of companies who tried it out of existence.) This has obviously extended even to today and expanded into the whole ecosystem, so now there will come a day when iPhone/iOS has totally eclipsed Android in market share and then everyone will be paying more for the same shit just because it has an Apple logo on it.

I don't want an iphone, I refuse to pay that much for a phone I don't use that much, and I have laughed at everyone who has tried to shit on me for not owning a $1000 phone.

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u/Plebius-Maximus Sep 04 '22

It's so odd that this is a thing Americans do.

In the UK, nobody gives a shit what phone anyone has

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u/serefina Sep 04 '22 edited Sep 04 '22

I think it's a generational divide. I haven't met anyone over 30 who cares, but maybe it's just my circle?

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u/AnthonyDidge Sep 04 '22

I switched back and forth between Android and iPhone from my late 20s through my 30s. When I had Android and would move from a dating app to texting (so texting a person in their mid 20s to 30s), I’d almost assuredly get comments about the green text bubbles.

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u/TBJTM Sep 04 '22

This is a core memory for me as a routine platform jumper.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

I’m probably about to jump back to Android this fall (unless iPhone 14 + Watch Pro are absolutely next level) and I’m dreading this phase

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u/ReleaseTheCracken69 Sep 04 '22

Nah don't, it's a great shallowness detector

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u/brrrrpopop Sep 05 '22 edited Sep 05 '22

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u/PeddyCash Sep 05 '22

Hard to think that’s actually real those comments….crazy.

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u/civicchump Sep 05 '22

You mean catching up to samsung 🤣🤣.

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u/bsrichard Sep 04 '22

I have an Android for my personal phone and an iPhone for work phone. I am constantly surprised by the amount of people who actually are so insane that they can't handle getting a text from anything other than iphone.

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u/rigobueno Sep 05 '22

Apple does this intentionally. They create a “walled garden” where inter-Apple communication is highly optimized. iMessage has a ton of extra features than standard texting, photos and video quality is 10-fold better, it’s not just because the texting is blue (although it just goes to show how fine-tuned and deliberate everything is, even down to the the colors)

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u/CardboardJ Sep 05 '22

It’s really not though. iMessage just makes everything from and to an android phone go through 1990s era sms standards instead of using the modern stuff. Android to android is pretty much the same as iPhone to iPhone.

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u/mtarascio Sep 05 '22

Apple makes it worse than the available MMS features.

Don't simp for them, they know what they're doing.

They could also release iMessage on Android.

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u/The_Betrayer1 Sep 05 '22

They could simply support rcs in imessage and it would solve almost all the problems minus the color of the message.

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u/juggernautomnislash Sep 05 '22

I recently learned this is entirely Apples fault. They are blocking Android on purpose and they purposefully downgrade images if sent over from IPhone to android via SMS.

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u/IronicBread Sep 05 '22

That should honestly be banned, fuck apple seriously

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u/BetterFartYourself Sep 05 '22

Good thing many people in Europe use WhatsApp, doesn't show if android or iphone

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u/grammarpopo Sep 04 '22

I never had an iPhone until I was the unfortunate victim of the exploding Samsung Note. There were no other androids available that I liked, so I went across the street and got my first iPhone. At that time, there was a shortage of all cell phones and I was told at the Apple store that they were out of stock.

I was wandering around looking at the available cases for when I could get one, and this guy sidles up to me and says “Are you grammarpopo?” I’m like yeah. He says we just got a shipment and if you’re ok with rose gold I’ve got one for you. I say “Sold.” And that was the last android I ever owned.

My daughter says “You’re blue!” I had no idea what she was talking about.

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u/InevitablePeanuts Sep 05 '22

What’s most weird to me about all the green bubble blue bubble stuff in the US is that so many people still use SMS / iMessage..!

There’s so many good platform-agnostic messaging services that don’t care about phone tribes. These dominate communication in Europe, and are a big part of why we don’t care about green bubbles.

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u/drfarren Sep 04 '22

More like a youth thing. I used to care, then I got older and stopped giving a shit about brand name things. I like my phone and the person over there likes theirs. End of story.

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u/Ticeben2 Sep 04 '22

It’s not all americans, more just the media pushing it/people under 20 (I’m sure the uk has kids that care about their phones)

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u/Llamalover1234567 Sep 04 '22

And also LITERALLY Apple

They’ve admitted it’s a bullying tactic. Also Rian Johnson revealed that apple only lets good guys in movies and shows use iPhones. It’s done that way for marketing.

  • sent from my iPhone

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u/Ticeben2 Sep 04 '22

Yeah, I was an advertising/marketing major for awhile in college until it made me so sick in the stomach that I changed majors. My eyes were opened and will now never shut.

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u/pathfinderoursaviour Sep 04 '22

Would you mind opening some of your fellow redditors eyes as well to what you found out

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

First of all we’re way more programmed by these people than we realize, and second of all we don’t care.

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u/nottooday69 Sep 04 '22

I worked at Sheetz when I was 18 (a gas station where we make food) and I realized it then that there is SO much that goes into advertising to us..and that was a gas station!!

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u/Wrastling97 Sep 04 '22

Yep I worked at Wawa and thought the same thing.

I mean.. the place sells clam chowder… it’s a fucking gas station and people forget that through the marketing. Gas station clam chowder is the same as gas station sushi

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u/HeyZeusDiedForYou Sep 04 '22

Well there’s nothing wrong inherently with marketing in the sense that you’ve gotta get the word out to people about things. However, at the highest level, it’s basically all about manipulating ignorant people. There are countless examples, I remember learning about “weasel words” and “glittering generalities” as two examples you can google. Also they make little stereotypes to describe the users they’re targeting. So like, “This is ‘Newsmax Nancy’. She doesn’t trust traditional institutions and she’s not afraid to tell you. She’ll love our all-natural essential arthritis snake oil made in the USA.” Then they’d have a persona for like a crunchy hippie who’d also buy the product, etc. They reduce people to their carnal impulses and then figure out how to extract profit based on that

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u/SpaceChimera Sep 04 '22

Prime example of how advertising changed our culture is back in the 1900s is Gillette razors. In the 1920s it was considered strange for women to shave their legs and arm pits, Gillette wanting to sell more razors, started a campaign to convince women they needed to shave to be beautiful.

Now something that 100 years ago was completely normal is considered "unhygienic" or "gross" by many

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/22/8640457/leg-shaving-history

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u/qpv Sep 04 '22

And the souless scam that is wedding diamonds. A diamond is forever campaign

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u/Stevesd123 Sep 04 '22

I'm an American and I've never had anyone comment about my phone. I've always had Android devices.

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u/PurpuraLuna Sep 04 '22

I got shit from people in highschool for using Android, but I haven't heard any remarks about it since graduating

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u/andsendunits Sep 04 '22

I forget that there are generations that had cell phones in school.

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u/PantheraOnca Sep 05 '22

Got my first cell phone in grade 9 (Nokia 3360). It was fun seeing how phones evolved throughout my time in highschool and comparing features with your friend's own. There were so many models popping up back then.

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u/surfinberrypunch Sep 04 '22

Same, no one gives a shit.

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u/san_murezzan Sep 04 '22

same in switzerland, I don't even think I could tell you what phones my friends have. I've seen on reddit that americans use iMessage a lot - maybe that has something to do with it? I only have whatsapp and so does essentially everyone I know.

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u/Reyox Sep 04 '22

The only time android vs iPhone comes up in conversation here is when someone needs a charger really. Hopefully starting next year iPhone will change to usbc and lightning will slowly die out.

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u/Religionbedumb Sep 04 '22

I from the states and I can’t tell you what phones my friends have. Like everywhere else in the world some people are just shitty.

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u/moistmoistMOISTTT Sep 04 '22

Same here.

People who are pretentious about iMessage are good red flags though, honestly. I don't care if people use whatever phone they enjoy, but engaging in baseless tribalism like that is an easy red flag.

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u/san_murezzan Sep 04 '22

Yeah that’s probably the most sensible answer here really

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u/eXcaliBurst93 Sep 04 '22

asian here...here we have a group that dont care what brand of phone you have...but if it can play mobile legend & pubg you can easily joined the group

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u/rendingmelody Sep 04 '22

Just consider it a great way to see what people you should avoid without having to waste your time with them.

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u/generalthunder Sep 04 '22

It means that the marketing is working

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u/Hovie1 Sep 04 '22

I showed someone something on my phone and he literally started feigning gagging, like he was physically going to be sick. Then he went on a 5 minute rant about how awful the screen quality on androids is and how superior iPhones are.

I'd just met this dude. Imagine being so emotionally invested in something so trivial that you're willing to act like that with someone you'd just met.

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u/techied Sep 04 '22

This is hilarious because most iPhone screens are now made by Samsung which is of course the leading manufacturer of Android phones...

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u/technobrendo Sep 04 '22

Samsung basically lead the way in screens since they originally put a OLED in their Galaxy S2 or 3.

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u/dachloe Sep 04 '22

The Samsung Epic, which was also known as a Galaxy S phone (no number yet) had an OLED screen.

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u/technobrendo Sep 04 '22

Ahh right. So they were basically OLED from the jump in their high end stuff.

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u/dachloe Sep 04 '22

Yes. As it was explained to me by a phone tech market analyst... "Apple does NOT innovate. They appropriate." This is the dominant strategy in high tech industries. Do not spend much on R&D. Let little open-source guys risk everything, and see what works. Then, when something hits, you buy them out, or you outright copy them, or sue them into oblivion.

What Apple actually does is design and style the tech so that it feels luxurious to the vast majority of consumers. They also spend vast sums of money on predatory marketing in order to make their products seem more popular than they really are.

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u/First_Foundationeer Sep 04 '22

I think one big example of Apple vs Android is how iOS takes a screenshot of an app's last access so that it seems like it loads the app much more quickly than Android. It's deceptive, sure, but I think it really does explain why a lot of people prefer Apple. They don't care about the reality of the functionality of the device. They want to feel like it's good, and Apple is really good at making people feel like their device is good.

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u/Ashmizen Sep 04 '22

They do make good screens though, and for a long time Samsung phones has BETTER screens than iPhones, since iPhones didn’t have OLED. After losing for many generations without an answer to Samsung’s better screens, Apple “fixed” this by just using Samsung OLED screens in iPhones as well.

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u/AztecTwoStep Sep 04 '22

When Apple revealed the iPhone x at nearly double the price of the s8, I switched to Samsung and haven't looked back.

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u/BassBanjo Sep 05 '22

Not most, all are made by Samsung

But even then Samsung's screens on their own phones are still by far the best screens on a phone, they keep the best for themselves lol

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u/Chickenizers Sep 04 '22

This guy

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u/Hovie1 Sep 04 '22

Take your upvote and get the fuck outta here 🤣

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u/Hushwater Sep 04 '22

The screen on Samsung are better looking though? The color is richer and not oversaturated in its neutral settings.

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u/Crystal3lf Sep 04 '22

The screen on Samsung are better looking though?

Not sure if they still do, but iPhone screens were made by Samsung for a long time.

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u/Poomandu1 Sep 04 '22

They still are being made by Samsung

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u/D3vy82 Sep 04 '22

Most components in apple products are made by other companies, even the apple silicon CPU is manufactured by TSMC who also manufacture for most other phone companies.

As far as I know (though this may be different now) apple don't actually manufacturer much themselves (though this may have changed in recent years I don't care enough to really keep up.

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u/Xatsman Sep 05 '22

Yeah Apple does very little in the way of manufacture, but a lot of design. The processors they use are ARM like the Qualcomm and mediatek produced processors, but they only licence the instruction set, not the core designs. Apples actual core designs are unique to them.

Performance wise they’re quite impressive and are competitive with the others while being more power efficient. It’s how iphones keep up on battery life despite relatively tiny batteries. That and because iOS is so stripped down. It’s difficult to compare them across platforms, because android as an operating system is much more capable and heavy of an OS.

There are good reasons to go with either platform. There’s no good reason for the elitism of either fan group.

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u/technobrendo Sep 04 '22

Since the first OLED model iPhone, the X

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u/Llamalover1234567 Sep 04 '22

Most still are. Tiny subset from LG but you’d never be able to tell

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u/TezMono Sep 04 '22

When the phone is more important than the person..

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u/WellingtonBananas Sep 04 '22

The weird, unearned sense of smug superiority some people have makes no sense. Congratulations, you bought a fucking phone.

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u/TolerateButHate Sep 04 '22

Been excluded from countless group chats cause I don't have the right colored bubble on their phone 🙄

Literally no idea why people value that so much, literally just use GroupMe, Snapchat, telegram, or any of the other apps that you almost certainly already have.

Pisses me off the way Apple purposely makes sending images to android the fucking worst too. Like dude, both of our phones can take and send 4k images to each other, why does it look like a compressed jpg from 1998?

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u/danieledward_h Sep 04 '22

Apple is purposefully not supporting RCS, which essentially gives all phones the same experience as iPhone to iPhone messaging. A big part of their phone strategy is the peer pressure and bullying about iMessage so I'm sure they really, really don't want to eliminate that manufactured superiority.

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u/wcbegley Sep 04 '22

Hell, I've always considered being excluded from group chats a nice perk to the Android world. :)

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u/cosmothekleekai Sep 04 '22

Fwiw you can get this same feature on iphone, just use Google voice as your primary number. Then neither side will accept you.

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u/LoganH1219 Sep 04 '22

If I remember correctly some government somewhere is looking to pressure apple about the whole bubble thing. Saying that it’s exclusionary and unfair. Apple clearly wants you to only talk to other iPhone users and make those who don’t have apple feel pressured to get an iPhone to not be excluded. When I switched to iPhone halfway through high school, a whole new social world opened up. I had no idea how much I was excluded from simply for having an Android. I love android and what they’re doing. Especially lately. I’d consider going back at some point but I’d hate to be left out of stuff again

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u/falkin42 Sep 04 '22

Anyone that would exclude you because of your phone isn't worth socializing with. The sooner you internalize that, the better off you'll be.

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u/camyers1310 Sep 04 '22

As a guy who has hit his 30s, this makes me laugh and I am left very confused.

The kids these days can't really be that fucking stupid, can they?

My lord.

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u/HeartlesSoldier Sep 04 '22 edited Sep 04 '22 Helpful

Both companies have their fucked up sides.

But I can't go with apple simply because of the proprietary attitude they have, with their chargers their OS and everything else.

Google has made smartphones accessible to people and third world countries and underprivileged demographics, by maintaining their OS as something free to use and share. Along third-party companies to utilize it. While also maintaining strong flagship phones.

I think it's funny that Apple users think they're better because of all the affordable phones that are created with Android, when in reality that just shows that Android is more diverse and available for people.

I've had the pixel series I love them, and I've also had a $20 Android from a grocery store, and it was neat knowing that people could get something so cheap and at least get some bare basic functionality without the bells and whistles

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u/Rhoeri Sep 04 '22 Silver

The android vs. iPhone war was stupid in 2008, and it’s stupid now. If you’re still a part of this nonsense, you should stop. It’s embarrassing.

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u/PJBonoVox Sep 05 '22

Sounds like a Windows Phone holdout right here ^

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u/bralma6 Sep 05 '22

furiously types out argument on my Fire Phone

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u/Bockanator Sep 05 '22

Fool's... Laughs in Nokia phone

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u/tekkenjin Sep 05 '22

my last Nokia was a windows phone.

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u/meloninja_ Sep 04 '22

It's unfortunate because it seems like Apple has a chokehold on the US texting market. So many people default to iMessage that it makes texting between iPhone and Android painful.

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u/InSearchOfPerception Sep 04 '22

Every time I hear this it blows my mind. What app do most android users go to? WhatsApp is pretty much the default way to chat in South Africa. It's at a point where I get more call's over the app than a normal call.

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u/lelibertaire Sep 04 '22

Most people in the states use their default messaging app that came with their phones.

So, Messages on Android or Samsung Messages on Samsung devices (Samsung might have switched to Google's Messages app now) and iMessage on iphone.

Basically people just used SMS/MMS until iMessage was created.

Outside of that, people might use other apps for specific groups. Gamers or "nerdier" folks might use Discord for their friends, but still probably normal SMS/iMessage for family. WhatsApp/Signal might be used for cross platform messaging, the privacy/encryption conscious, or certain groups, like work groups or family groups, especially if some of that family is from out of the country.

People here generally don't want to have multiple apps for messaging people. They just want to use their default messaging app, and on iphone, that's iMessage.

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u/Paradox_D Sep 04 '22 edited Sep 05 '22

The thing is in countries with majority android users the default way for group messaging is a third party app (WhatsApp in most South Asian countries) and both Android and iPhone users are happy with this arrangement. It's only in the US where the default for groups is imessage that basically excludes android users.

Edit: it seems like the US has free sms and this is a major factor why people default to it. In all the countries I stayed in sms wasn't free. One of the main reasons people switched over to whatsapp here in India was the government limiting number of sms one could send in a day to 15 or something for a period of time.

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u/lelibertaire Sep 04 '22

Yeah I'm just explaining how it is.

Not sure if it was just a cultural thing outside the US or if there's more variety among smartphone platforms necessitating cross platform messaging, whereas here iPhone is the majority now and has been among certain demographics for a while.

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u/lelibertaire Sep 04 '22

Yep some other commenters reminded me about that. Probably the actual factor pushing people to those services and once that's what everyone is using, that's what sticks

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u/vrekais Sep 05 '22

My UK mobile network offered me unlimited data cap before they were offering unlimited calls or texts. And as you can make calls and texts using data cap if you make them via an app such as FB Messenger, WhatsApp, or Discord it seemed stupid to carry on using the actual phone apps. I don't even have the phone app on my home screen I use it so infrequently.

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u/jalerre Sep 04 '22

It’s mostly because US cell carriers started offering unlimited talk/text. This wasn’t happening in other countries so people started using WhatsApp instead of SMS/MMS to get the same benefits.

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u/owhatakiwi Sep 04 '22

I thought it was the whole unlimited texting and calls that we get here in t U.S that I don’t think is common place in other countries?

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u/lelibertaire Sep 04 '22

Good point. This is probably correct.

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u/XAMdG Sep 04 '22

Yeah it's kinda odd that the US seemingly is one of the few countries that still uses SMS.

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u/alxthm Sep 04 '22

Most phone plans in North America include unlimited sms. I don’t think this is nearly as common in other countries, or at least it wasn’t when What’s App became so popular.

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u/leetocaster347 Sep 04 '22

I try to get everyone onto Signal. It's the only thing my core friend group uses, and we have gotten many others on it too!

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u/meloninja_ Sep 04 '22

I've heard good things about Signal. I should try to convince my friends and family to switch to it

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u/A_SALAMI Sep 04 '22

I got my family and friends (who all use iPhones) to switch to it because for whatever reason I never get all their texts and it works pretty much the same as iMessage. My wife (who uses android) is the last holdout I have to use sms with because she doesn't want another messaging app on her phone.

Definitely worth the effort in convincing everyone you know to switch, if not solely because it works on wifi.

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u/XAMdG Sep 04 '22

WhatsApp is basically the default in most countries.

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u/Pretend_Bowler1344 Sep 04 '22

In India, if you don’t use WhatsApp, you are unofficially off the grid.

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u/BloodandSpit Sep 04 '22

Everyone uses WhatsApp in Europe too, younger people use Snapchat. No idea why anyone would use stock messaging apps they're crap on both iPhone and Android, I was really confused when people talked about not getting dates because of green speech bubbles. I wish Signal was more popular over here though.

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u/h3yw00d Sep 04 '22

I just use the default messages app on my Samsung.

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u/big-b20000 Sep 04 '22

It’s interesting because you can see who has international friends by whether or not they have WhatsApp in the US.

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u/iindigo Sep 04 '22

Depends on the country one’s friends are in. In Japan and I think South Korea, LINE is the dominant messenger and in China it’s WeChat.

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u/ogjaspertheghost Sep 05 '22

KakaoTalk is the dominant messenger in South Korea

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u/RogueFlash Sep 04 '22

WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger would be the default in the UK. I don't know anyone that regularly texts via SMS anymore.

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u/Boaz08 Sep 04 '22

Everyone in The Netherlands uses Whatsapp.

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u/DygonZ Sep 04 '22

So many people default to iMessage that it makes texting between iPhone and Android painful.

This must be an American thing, I have never heard anybody over here (europe) complain over a fucking text bubble color. Then again, I don't know anybody who uses the default messaging app, iphone or android. Just use whatsapp.

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u/tiofilo69 Sep 04 '22

It has nothing to do with the bubble color. It has to do with iMessage features not being available between iOS and non-iOS. Also multimedia messaging sucks in those cases.

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u/HeadlessHookerClub Sep 04 '22

I dunno how I feel about this. It’d be nice is Apple wouldn’t make it such a pain in the ass when texting videos, gifs, etc to Android devices. Can’t we all just be friends?

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u/LoudMusic Sep 05 '22

There's no money in friendship.

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u/bit_banging_your_mum Sep 05 '22

Can’t we all just be friends?

Nope. Apple (and Google), as publicly traded companies, have but one goal: to make money for shareholders.

That's why the only winning apple product to buy is their stock.

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u/AyMustBeTheThrowaway Sep 05 '22

Samsung is perfectly fine with this situation.

An overwhelming majority of the glass for iPhones are provided by Samsung.

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u/willpowerpt Sep 04 '22

But not the global market.

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u/texnp Sep 04 '22

would be pretty crazy if a single company had over half of the world’s smartphone market share

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u/SurstrommingFish Sep 04 '22

Let me introduce you to Nokia.

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u/lentope Sep 05 '22

Smartphones not unbreakable bricks

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u/redditthrowaway1478 Sep 05 '22

Both sound equally dangerous in the right hands

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u/gambl0r82 Sep 04 '22

In my experience Android users tend to be either power users who want to use their phone like a PC and have the ability to customize absolutely everything, or people who have zero preference and can’t or don’t want to spend the money on an iPhone and need a cheaper alternative. Basically the two opposite ends of the tech spectrum.

The other 90% of people I know have an iPhone. I’m honestly surprised it took this long for Apple to achieve a higher market share in the US.

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u/Teembeau Sep 04 '22

For me, my phone is my 3rd level device. I would rather use a desktop PC or a laptop. The phone is for when I can't use a PC. I generally prefer to use a point-and-click camera if I'm visiting somewhere. So the phone has some narrow uses for me. It's the device for music in my car, calls, whatsapp, email, maps, watching some YouTube when I'm out and about. And my £160 Moto G60S does that job just fine. I'd rather spend £1000 on a laptop that will last a decade, and £160 every 3 years for a cheap droid.

And even then, the camera is decent now. Good enough for sharing on social media.

Also, cheap droids are like kryptonite to thieves. You can leave it in a bar, go to the bathroom and no-one will touch it.

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u/Mragftw Sep 04 '22

Or people like me who just like the UI and having 3 buttons instead of just a home button

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u/huffalump1 Sep 05 '22

Gesture interface is fine for Home and Recent Apps…. The real thing is BACK BUTTON.

In an iPhone, swiping from the left might work, otherwise you gotta reach your thumb to the farthest corner of the phone possible.

On Android 12 and up, just do a little swipe from either edge of the screen to go back any time. It’s amazing.

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u/Sawses Sep 04 '22

Yeah. Like my dad is in IT and he has Apple because it just works with zero fuss or bother on his part.

By contrast, I much prefer an Android because it allows me to do any edge case thing I might want it to do.

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u/SergNH Sep 04 '22

Hmmm every Android phone I have used and currently using has just worked.

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u/Jaohni Sep 05 '22

In my experience Android and iOS based devices just work if you're...Using it as a phone. Texting and calling, maybe some basic apps, calculator, alarms, that kind of thing.

Honestly, they feel about the same to me, personally, at least.

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u/Phiau Sep 04 '22 edited Sep 05 '22

Curious... What job does your dad have?

I'm a Sysadmin and use the heck out of my Android phone, doing things that Apple just can't or won't.

The service desk are largely on Android.
The higher up the management chain you go (and further from a technical position), the higher the chance of an Apple phone.

Different mind set?

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u/itsmesylphy Sep 04 '22

Joke's on them, I still have a headphone jack.

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u/ManyArtichoke Sep 04 '22 Gold Heartwarming

Apple has been using a very clever marketing technique that I'm sure we've all witnessed.

Apple intentionally gives its users a negative experience when interacting with non-iPhones (the dreaded green bubble). No other phone company does this.

Howevever, rather than blame Apple for that decision, iPhone users actually blame Android.

Apple has managed to recruit its own users to pressure their friends and family into switching to iPhones. Apparently among Gen Z the peer pressure has been especially strong.

Think about what's happened here. Apple is getting iPhone users to actually spend their time and energy convincing other people to use iPhones. It's pretty astonishing if you think about it.

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u/I_Cant_Alphabet Sep 05 '22

This is wild to read because I've never thought about it. I'm the android guy in my groups of friends and I've slightly considered changing to iPhone because texting is easier and FaceTime is really cool. But you're not wrong at all, rather than apple adjusting, they've convinced their users they're superior and to spend their energy trying to convince me to switch.

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u/rincon213 Sep 05 '22 edited Sep 05 '22

Speaking from experience, it’s worse than you think.

Texting androids from iOS is so clunky that most the group chats you’re in have a second version of just iPhone users / blue texts.

Those iPhone-only blue group chats are probably the “main” group chat and you don’t even realize you’re friends are hanging out / talking without you.

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u/otacon7000 Sep 05 '22

Precisely. Microsoft has become the giant they are with the exact same strategy, but in the business sector. You want to interface with any other company? They'll send you Word and Excel files sooner or later and expect you to support that.

They also used to offer game studios to sponsor part or the entirety of a game's development if the studio agreed to use DirectX only, which means the game could only ever run on Windows.

And customers turn to fanboys and bully everyone who actually sees through this shit. It's ridiculous. Terribly human though, I guess.

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u/Prancer4rmHalo Sep 05 '22

Why can’t android pull this market share back? Why don’t people turn in their iPhones for an android when faced with this dilemma. ?

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u/Lhonors4 Sep 05 '22

Apple also makes it hard to change to Android. When you switch, It messes up your texting because other phones still think you have iMessage

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u/7eregrine Sep 05 '22

Meh I'm in a group chat with 7 people. I'm the only Android. Literally not one person mentions it ever except for the one Apple fanboy. Most people don't give AF ime.

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u/fearsomesniper Sep 04 '22

Just found out about Adguard and modded apps on Android (like vanced and instander) I mean being able to browse the internet in Chrome, any apps, games, and not have ads is incredible. Never going back to iphone.

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u/Secret-Plant-1542 Sep 04 '22

I have Firefox and adblocker on my android.

My wife has a iPhone.

I don't understand how she's okay with watching ads and having 50% screen with ads when browsing.

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u/acatterz Sep 04 '22

There is an Adblock Plus extension for iOS Safari. Seems to do the trick for me.

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u/cogeng Sep 04 '22

Isn't that the company that made deals with ad companies to allow certain ads?

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u/Traithan Sep 04 '22

There's a ton of adblockers that work with Safari. Try Adguard or AdBlock Plus.

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u/skillfulperson Sep 04 '22

You can get sponsorblock for safari on iOS now, and adguard VPN works the same as android

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u/beardedwonder130 Sep 04 '22

Ive had the same android for 3 years and it works just like the day i got it, what are you doing on your phones lol

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u/inventionnerd Sep 04 '22

I'm still on a normal ass galaxy s8 and it works just fine lol. Obviously if I was some photo enthusiast, I'd need to upgrade. But for browsing and some games? Works fine.

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u/Anal_Pancake Sep 04 '22

I used to swear by my old S8, but since covid I switched to the Note 9. Iris reading was a savior working outside with gloves and a mask on.

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u/Stingray88 Sep 04 '22

What I don't like about android phones is that they have terrible official support lifetimes. Even the Pixel line, Goggles own phone, only gets 3 years of OS updates. Samsung is the best, but they still only offer 4 years.

iPhone 6s has had 7 years of OS updates.

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u/D3vy82 Sep 04 '22

That's something that apple are genuinely good with, I've also had good experiences with their customer support for ipods and my kids phones.

This is something google are improving by making the os more modular so it's possible to update the core OS separately from ancillary bits like the UI etc - still I think that's a while off before we see any major benefit.

Still, I much prefer my Android phone (one plus Nord) - at the time it was comparable to the current generation iphone but cost less than 1/2 as much.

The only thing that might make me switch to iphone is the watch, I really like the apple watch, but because apple won't let it talk to android it's pretty much dead to me unless I change my phone which I can't see happening.

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u/jefuf Sep 04 '22

My iPhone 4 only really became unusable when they shut down the GSM network.

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u/SalamanderPop Sep 04 '22

100000% I was just commenting on this thread that I only gave up my OnePlus 6T after 3.5 years because support had ended. It's a terrible waste as the phone was still going strong. Full day battery, good specs, etc.

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u/castiboy Sep 04 '22

Couldn’t you have kept using it thought? I gave up on my OP6 once it’s radios went nuts and would lose connection constantly whenever it rang or I called someone. At 3 years, it was out of warranty, out of production, and the third Android in a row (from different manufacturers) to just die on me by the third year. Meanwhile my SO hand the battery on her iPhone 5S replaced the same year the 11 launched. Switching was a no brainer at that point.

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u/hatnscarf Sep 04 '22

iMessage has the USA in a stranglehold. The rest of the world mainly uses WhatsApp/ Telegram which is why we don't really see this level of lock in elsewhere.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

I'll always be android because Apple has way too many restrictions. I don't care what anyone says about my phone lol s22 ultra is a great phone.

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u/jokerkcco Sep 04 '22

As long as android has back buttons and apple doesn't, I'm staying put. The loss of an SDcard is hard though.

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u/hurricane_news Sep 04 '22

The loss of an SDcard is hard though.

Still hanging on to my Samsung I'd purchased 2 years back, packing a aux jack, a 6k mah battery and an sd card for 180 usd

Unfortunately, Samsung got the bright idea of killing off tha aux jack on the budget models too. God knows when they'll come for the sd card next. A lot of us who purchase budget phones are left between a rock and a hard place

No idea where I'll go once this phone dies

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u/Zeis Sep 04 '22

Sony phones still have an aux jack, big battery, SD card slots, etc.

Once my Note 9 dies, I'll get a used Sony Xperia 1 II (or mark III, or mark IV)

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u/-peas- Sep 04 '22

I cant stand gestures. They're not the same across every app as well and its extremely annoying. Back, home, multitask buttons are amazing.

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u/DrMantisToboggan45 Sep 05 '22

I've got a Google pixel 3a that I bought for 150 and its had no issues since I bought it. Can't imagine what people spend 1k on a phone.

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u/piscesinfla Sep 04 '22

I use an Iphone SE 20 for work and a Samsung Galaxy S22 as personal and the Iphone is much better for what I need to do work-wise but I really don't like the the OS. Maybe just me

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u/DaBABYateMAdingo Sep 04 '22

Same. The company phone is iOS and I personally use Google pixel products.

I enjoy them both so much lol

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u/Pretty_Bowler2297 Sep 04 '22

Android makers need to stop fucking up the software/bloatware/experience. Just stick with default Android or something. And for the love of- support their phones through OS updates longer. It’s not like consumers didn’t try to love Android.

I say this as an iPhone user because no competition is bad for me.

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u/tom-dixon Sep 05 '22

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide

Android phones - 71%

iPhones - 27%

There's no problem with competition for the iPhones, they're far from being a monopoly. Androids outclass the iPhones both in the low cost segment and the high end segment.

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u/pidgethecat Sep 04 '22

Why does that phone have over 150,000 notifications. I can’t handle even 1.

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u/AngryInternetMobGuy Sep 04 '22

I've been choosing Android now just to spite people that especially give me shit for not having the ability to facetime me whenever they please. It's hard enough accepting phone calls from people

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u/chris17453 Sep 04 '22

I will always use android, burn my own ROM. The phone is my property, my data is mine.

Also I hate Apple, but fuck they make a good phone.

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u/StockAL3Xj Sep 05 '22

For me, if I'm given the option between closed and opened source software, I will always choose opened source even if the product isn't as good.

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u/alex6219 Sep 04 '22

I have an android for my personal phone, but when my work offered me a "work phone", they only had iphones available. I feel scenarios like that contribute to the iphone market

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u/james3000gore Sep 04 '22

I was an Android user for a decade. I found over time, the reliabilty of what I needed my phone to do was getting worse with each release. My Pixel 3A took great photos but it would drop calls or sometimes not ring at all and send the caller straight to voicemail. Earlier this year, I had some emergencies to deal with and needed a more reliable phone. With the Pixel 6 nonsense, I decided to try an iPhone. I miss the lack of personalization compared to Android but I like being able to make and recieve calls without any problems.

I'm not saying I wouldn't go back to Android, but I find the iPhone works way better in what I need it do: mainly calls and texts.

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u/ecmcn Sep 04 '22 edited Sep 04 '22

We ship our (network security) product on both platforms, and our experience has been that Android is about 3x the dev cost vs iOS. Mainly due to the hardware variety and that vendors/carriers don’t update the OS, so we have to deal with more older versions. I wish that weren’t the case because they’re both good platforms, but we get a lot of bugs like “x doesn’t work on my Samsung whatever.”

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u/Awayze Sep 04 '22

The dev cost translates to poorer apps too with so many different types of hardware out there, devs don't want to spend more time and money making them as good as the iOS version which is a turn off for me. From eBay notification bugs to dark mode not working in lots of apps or lag/stutter in scrolling put me off my Pixel 6 and bought an iPhone 13 PM.

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u/dookiebuttholepeepee Sep 04 '22

Tbf iPhones sometimes don’t ring.

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u/Tyrion_toadstool Sep 04 '22

I feel similarly. There really is something to be said for “it just works”. I had issues with Android auto. 85% of the time it worked fine, but man that 15% was annoying. I finally jumped ship to an iPhone 11 and I wish I’d done it sooner. Apple CarPlay works 99.9% of the time and I love it.

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u/CaptainBumCum Sep 04 '22

Whereas you go outside the US and iPhones are very clearly number 2. The stupidest fucking argument in the world is which is better when they literally do the same thing. It's a phone that runs apps. They have the same apps. A high end iPhone will perform exactly the same as a high end android. iPhones don't do budget range phones and people who get brand new high end phones every year are just stupid, my 2 year old Google 4 is a unit and does exactly the same shit as your iPhone or galaxy that's literally 8 times the price.

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u/raven1121 Sep 04 '22

It's a shame androids are not more popular. My first android was the Note 9 and I loved the micro SD expandable storage , the camera , drag and drop songs and videos without going through iTunes , a built in pen, etc

I upgraded to the fold 3 and it's not the newest model ( Samsung released the fold 4 a few months ago) but I still get looks of shock when I unfold my phone and people are amazed it has been out for years

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u/Blindek386 Sep 04 '22

“Samsung released the fold 4 a week ago”

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u/kyubez Sep 04 '22

Android makers have been doing it to themselves. Samsung for example has been slowly removing features such as expandable memory (started with them making the battery not removable) so its been getting harder for me to think that android >>>>> apple.

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u/NelchaelSS Sep 04 '22 edited Sep 04 '22

Samsung has been fucking itself in the last few years, the S20 FE I have right now will be my last phone from them, after 12 years I'll make the jump from Android to IOS.

S Ultra series has different SoC's in different regions of the world; if you're not an American you get scammed with a weaker (and more power hungry Exynos) chipset, even if you're paying more for their products.

You want to buy our flagship outside USA? Too bad.

Apple did something unpopular? Hahaha (you'll see us do this next year too)

In 3 days I'll see if I upgrade to a 13 Pro Max or it is worth to pay more dor the 14 Pro Max.

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u/ZenYeti98 Sep 04 '22

Didn't Samsung just announce the next S series will have the same chipset worldwide? They know it's a problem.

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u/Oradi Sep 04 '22

Biggest thing I'm curious about is battery life. My android devices have always been dog shit.

Then again, I'm a heavy user. Would love to try out a new iphone for a month to see

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u/rulerBob8 Sep 04 '22

The Fold4 has only been out a week or so.

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u/grr5000 Sep 04 '22

I mean android phones have been popular. They have been the dominant phone in the US for years and worldwide it’s not even close.

iPhone just recently took hold as majority use recently. So could still go back the other way. I think to your point there are a lot of shitty android phones that frustrate you after aWhile so people turn to iPhone. When in reality the good android phones are just as good if not better in some respects than the best iPhones.

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u/Mr_Oujamaflip Sep 04 '22

I'm in the UK and I see a fairly even split.

The issue is I feel like android phones are getting worse. I've had HTC, Sony, Samsung and now Pixel and they all seemed to get progressively more buggy.

My pixel 5 was great, the pixel 6 started good and now is weird and buggy.

Samsung started pushing ads at me with their unnecessary store and Bixby.

HTC straight up died.

Sony was always the best features with the worst reliability.

I've been considering the move to Apple for a few years but I just don't like the operating system. I hate the way you edit text, no T9 dialing, the old MMS methodology. Probably some other stuff that I can't think of as well.

It might happen but I'm going to give Google another shot and see what happens.

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u/Musicalmaudra Sep 04 '22

I agree! I have a one+ right now and since they were bought out it is decisively worse and my husband has refused to do the new update. It sucks so much, because I have absolutely loved these phones. We will try Google for the next purchase.

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u/karmaextract Sep 04 '22

T9 dialing

I think you can download an app that uses CallKit (which directly hooks up to the hardware's phone functionality) and get whatever UI you want. iPhones manufactured for some countries like China also preload native T9 functionality IIRC though that might be primarily for text input.

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u/PopperShnoz Sep 04 '22 edited Sep 04 '22

Anyone remember the Windows phone?

I miss my Nokia Lumia 1020... 🥹

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u/PandorasChalk Sep 04 '22

I've had all manner of phones over the years and my Windows Nokia was still the #1 in my book. That phone was forged in the fires of Mordor and survived being dropped off a building, being dropped into an engine block, banged around in my bags and pockets, and even left in the rain overnight. The OS worked perfectly and the battery was to date one of the best I had ever experienced. I'd use it for music playback during my third shift job and sometimes go 2 days before I needed to charge it (for music/texting only usually). Sadly app support made me move on.

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u/PopperShnoz Sep 04 '22

And that gloriously smooth Gorilla Glass? Ahhhh... 🤤

If the app store didn't kill the Windows Phone I think it'd have still been a top competitor in todays market for sure.

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u/snorlz Sep 04 '22

Keep in mind this is US only. Most other countries use one ubiquitous app like WhatsApp (most of europe), wechat (china), Line (japan), etc so the default messaging platform is already 3rd party. In the US there are like 10 different apps and new ones seem to come out all the time. Youll see people on the ones above but also groupme, telegram, signal, messenger, viber, etc. basically leads to a completely fractured system

IMO Android used to be much better in that they had so many features Apple was very slow to adopt. but for the last few years theyve basically just been reverting to copying Apple, to the point theres virtually no meaningful difference between flagship phones. And when they are so closely aligned, convenience (aka messaging) is king. since imessage is both a default app and exclusionary, obv that pushes people towards that

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u/jelaninoel Sep 04 '22

All this time i thought apple was market leader in America

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