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Actual union wage sheet and pay stub

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u/Icy-Entrepreneur-244 5d ago edited 4d ago Helpful

I’m glad you posted this! Most people don’t realize dues are very minimal. I’m in the IBEW and it’s 3% and worth every penny. They see 80$ and think it’s a lot. Not sure how your union is but in mine we get a quarterly holiday bonus check that pretty much pays for the dues.

Edit: shout-out to all my fellow brothers and sisters across the country who commented and any other union workers. Just wanted to point out that I pay 3% in dues to make about 20% more than my non-union counterpart just on the check.

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u/Fatguy503 5d ago

Usually people say "Have fun giving half your paycheck away in dues". Not knowing how little dues actually are.

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u/tdi4u 5d ago Starry

Part of the propaganda machine. Keep 'em dumb and you can keep 'em down. Education is a big factor

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u/tahquitz84 5d ago

For the longest time I believed that dues were so much of the pay and unions didn't even do anything. Then I took the time to actually look into it and learned just how useful and needed unions actually are.

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u/NO-MAD-CLAD 5d ago

My employer tried to steel half of my pension by paying me at one payscale and then paying the pension amount of a lower payscale. Union was the only thing that protected me and forced them to pay back all of what was owed.

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u/koske 5d ago

That there was a pension to begin with was due to the union!

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u/Sirspeedy77 5d ago

seriously. wtf is a 401k... If i wanted to gamble in the stock market i would do it myself. I don't want me retirement tied to some cyclical gambling machine.

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u/dervasavred 5d ago

401ks were invented to break pensions and allow employers to tie employees' retirements to the performance of the market while also letting employers speculate and gamble with the money they would have paid into a pension on the first place.

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u/GovernmentOpening254 4d ago

Also invest in the largest corporations which only get larger with all of the investment portfolios choosing the same companies.

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u/Left_Independence963 5d ago

The federal dept of labor has a specific employee benefits dept that handles retirement claims. They would help also. I say this not just so you know but for others that don’t have a good union.

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u/Left_Independence963 5d ago

The people that say dues aren’t worth the benefits are the same people that think health insurance doesn’t pay for anything or why earn more money will you’ll just give it away in extra taxes.

It’s poor logic and sometimes even showing people the math doesn’t change their position.

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u/dipstyx 4d ago

I know literally DOZENS of guys that refuse to work over time, not for a sane reason like wanting more family time or because 40 hours is enough (or too much even), but because they are convinced that their checks are smaller.

But I guess that is the beauty of the middle class that you don't even have to be aware of how much money you make each week. I got tired of explaining marginal income tax to the ignorants.

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u/vatothe0 4d ago

Come to think of it, they are the EXACT same people I've run into. People would complain about getting a raise. Idiots.

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u/NutWrench 5d ago

Yup. Disinformation, spread by corporations, politicians and our so-called "liberal news media" (also wholly owned by those corporations) is the reason why so many people aren't getting accurate information.

It's not the gays vs the straights or the liberals vs conservatives or the Romulans vs the Federation. It's the 1% vs everybody else. It's the cluefull vs the clueless. This is a CLASS war . . . and it always has been. And for most people, their situation is never going to change until they figure out where the real source of their pain comes from.

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u/Jolly_Faithlessness1 5d ago

Hence Republicans hate Unions.

The states that have laws against union membership as a condition of employment are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, ...

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u/Traiklin 5d ago

Except for the Police Union.

Every Union hurts America but they stand with the Police Union.

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u/Ustinklikegg 4d ago

It's definitely on brand for them

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u/Ambitious_Tackle 4d ago

The police union is not a real union and never has been. I would love for that one to be treated like the rest of us.

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u/SiriusBaaz 4d ago

That’s why republicans have spent decades hamstringing the education system and encouraging home schooling. It’s far easier to control people when they’re stupid as hell.

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u/Nighttime-Turnip 5d ago

Meanwhile they love paying half of it on health insurance and the other half on rent

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u/Methelsandriel 5d ago edited 5d ago

Before I quit my old job and organized into the IBEW I was paying around $95 every week for health insurance, it would have been double that but the shop covered half. I got a $2/hr "raise" that year, after doing the math on how much the insurance cost every year it would have needed to be closer to $5/hr to actually be a raise.

Went union and was technically making $.29 less, but was taking more home.

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u/ElevatorDave 5d ago

In my union, our health benefits don't come out of our paycheck. It's part of our wage but we never see it on the paycheck. If I have to visit an emergency room, it's $50. If I stay overnight in a hospital, $100. $250 for my wife giving birth. It's absolutely worth it for the insurance alone.

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u/Tonyvolume 4d ago

My Union (Sailors Union of the Pacific) I have to work 60 days a year for my healthcare. I initially had to do 120 days to get that bracket for the companies that have that plan, but now it’s pretty much paid for. To explain it better, Group A (full year Kaiser) you have to work 60 days a year for Matson and/or APL. Group B is Military contracts and it covers 6 months of insurance.

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u/DantesEdmond 5d ago

I would never be caught dead paying 80 bucks per pay on union dues what are they doing for me??

pays 1800$ for an ER visit for a sprained ankle

"This is fine"

These anti union idiots just repeat whatever their overlords tell them, absolutely zero critical thought.

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u/silveryfeather208 5d ago

Also, depending on union, I'm getting paid more in the industry. SO minus the union fees I'd still be on par. But the benefits are great.

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u/DantesEdmond 5d ago

Yeah look at pipe fitters and other similar trades. In Florida they make 15 bucks an hour and work awful conditions. In states with strong unions they make 35 bucks an hour.

Yet somehow idiots will complain that higher pay is a bad thing.

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u/amf_devils_best 4d ago

Yeah, Kansas here and scale is 36.02 plus benefits.

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u/HeazzerD 5d ago

My husband and I had the best insurance when he was a laborer in the union. He made the most money and we were in the best position we ever were in. Now he is disabled and his disability is enough to live on.

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u/PM_ME_CAT_POOCHES 5d ago

When I left my union job, they paid me back every bit that I had ever paid for insurance because I ended up not even using it once. My bf and I were about to head out for a trip and I decided to check the mail and had a nice surprise check for a couple hundred bucks in there. This was the UFCW

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u/mothermucca 5d ago

This. I worked a management job in a union shop. The union guys’ take home pay was better than mine, because the company paid 100% of their health insurance, and they had like $5 copays for doctors visits. I was paying like $400/month for insurance with a $1000 deductible.

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u/tardisious 5d ago

not to mention all the taxes including the employer half of ss costs (in USA)

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u/Shrikeangel 5d ago

Pretty sure my union getting me 4% matching on my pension is double what the dues are.

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u/StacerStace 5d ago

Yeah, my union dues $40/month. My employer’s pension contribution a month $600.

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u/ItsHardwick at work 5d ago

Y'all's are higher than ours even. IAM we pay a flat $15 a week.

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u/GarrAdept 5d ago edited 5d ago

Cwa here. We pay the first two hours we work every month. Comparable ununionized jobs in my area make half my hourly and have no benefits. Another ununionized company actually makes slightly more, but also has no benefits. We get a 401k match, pension, good (not great) health insurance, and two months pto a year. It's really not a cost benefit analysis that needs doing.

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u/5J7XM33IXN4XCQI6B2BB 5d ago

I will gladly pay 50%, since my paycheck is 3x higher than it would be ... thanks to my union... plus I have 21 days of paid time off a year ... thanks to my union ... and if I get sick I'm not fucked because I have great health insurance ... thanks to my union ... and if my boss tells me to do something not in my position description I can tell him to pound sand ... thanks to my union.

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u/PG-DaMan 5d ago

I think this comes from Unions " Back in the day "

The unions then had 40 to 1000 people. Now they have thousands to tens of thousands.

Also back then the fraud in unions might have been higher.

I remember my dad as a teacher paying 40$ a month ( came out in an argument with my mom ). Now most might think thats nothing. But that was in the 70's

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u/SlowInsurance1616 5d ago

Yeah, but those days' teachers retired early and had a nice pension.

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u/UncommonHouseSpider 5d ago

Maybe, but it is just more likely propaganda. There are no rules that say they can't lie to your face, fyi. They don't want you unionized because it takes away much of their leverage when the employees band together.

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u/TheNorthNova01 5d ago

In Canada dues are 100% tax deductible

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u/Bumbu4me 5d ago

They used to be here until Donald Trump and the Republicans took that away.

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u/JustSomeOldFucker 5d ago

I think some states allow dues as a deduction. NY certainly does.

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u/Bumbu4me 5d ago

Minnesota does as well. You can deduct from state but not fed.

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u/Busy_Signature_5681 5d ago

Republicans hate unions. And it’s funny because a lot of my family is union and continue to vote republican

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u/_portia_ 5d ago

Leopards ate my face, etc. Do any of your union family members understand that if Republicans could, they would destroy every union in the country?

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u/Busy_Signature_5681 5d ago

They say that’s actually what the dems want and putting the illegals in with open borders is what’s destroying the unions.

Myself and a few other family members are also union and have tried to explain things to them. It was useless

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u/xoomorg 5d ago

Dues are still deductible. Trump didn’t change that. What he changed was to increase the standard deduction, such that most people choose that instead now and don’t bother itemizing. If you itemize your deductions, you can still deduct union dues same as always, though.

EDIT: This is not true. Union dues were explicitly excluded from being deducted. My mistake. (Most of the things people complain about with the tax cuts are really just a result of the increased standard deduction, but this is not one of those cases.)

https://www.hrblock.com/tax-center/filing/adjustments-and-deductions/deducting-union-dues/amp/

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u/betelgeuse_3x 5d ago

The IBEW is currently representing workers at Collectivo Coffee in Milwaukee.

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u/Radiant-Usual-1785 5d ago

My husband is part of United Steel Workers. His dues are 87 a month. He makes 32.50 per hour so it’s like less than three hours of his monthly pay. The mine tried to get rid of the union and all they managed to do it’s revitalize union membership and make it stronger. Lol.

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u/wronglycredited 5d ago

I'm in AFSCME. My dues are less than 2%. Absolutely worth it.

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u/beyond_the_rainbow 5d ago

I love saying my dues cost me about an hour of work. Have encouraged a few to join that way.

I'm AFSCME too. Howdy, union bro! 💚

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u/crashbandicooter97 5d ago

The sad part is people dont ask or we dont post paychecks enough to show it. Im a Teamster and our dues are an hour and a half pay taken out of the first worked day of the month. Like I joke with my friends that I wanna pay the most dues in my union because that only means im making the most.

Glad to see so many other union members here! Our collective fight keeps people alive and living quality lives despite corporate greed!

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u/pengalo827 5d ago

Teamster here as well, ours are 2.5 hours a month. Well worth it.

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u/VengenaceIsMyName 5d ago

An hour of work and yet your power as a worker gets multiplied by a factor of 100 or 1000. Being in a well-managed union is probably one of the best deals out there

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u/50_and_stuck Union Boss 5d ago edited 5d ago

I'm in an NEA affiliate. Added up, my annual dues for national, state and local combined are barely two days work.

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u/itsokayx 5d ago

Love NEA!! 💛 solidarity

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u/Icy-Entrepreneur-244 5d ago

Yes we also get a holiday quarterly check that pays for it on top of PTO

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u/ObligationWarm5222 5d ago

Same at USW, union dues are about 1.5% for me.

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u/PAPABURG3R 5d ago

Also with USW!

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u/ICeBeRG380 5d ago

Nice! I’m an Ironworker, been one for about 10 years. Best decision I ever made

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u/Ununsual 5d ago

I’m in a professional union under the USW, and my dues are less than 2% of my check.

completely paid themselves off when my employer messed up my going part time (cut my rate and hours, not just my hours) and for 3 months couldn’t figure out my back pay. Called the union and it was fixed in 48 hours.

Having a union at your back is glorious.

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u/StacerStace 5d ago

Yep, my district (as all in my state) made us take furlough days. It was 9 days one year, 6 days the next, and 3 the last year they did it. So… day off, no pay. Sucked for most everyone but me, as the 9 days was my first year so I didn’t technically make less. But several years later, there was a windfall in the budget (they found money somehow???), so my union swooped in and got us back pay for those 18 days. That was nice.

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u/bigbrowbeater 5d ago

My father was IBEW his entire life. Cheers to you and your brothers!

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u/Radiant-Usual-1785 5d ago

Same with my dad. :)

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u/bnh1978 5d ago

Well. 83 dollars... that's 1.6 hours out of every week dedicated to ensuring that you've got a good job.

Probably worth it.

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u/Zakkana SocDem 5d ago

Not to mention it also comes with benefits you hope you never have to use but will be glad are there if you had to.

When I was teaching, one of my benefits was free legal services should the need arise such as a student making a false accusation and such. I also had a $1,000,000 malpractice insurance policy too. The nice thing too is even though I don't have that job anymore due to politics (I was too friendly with a pro-faculty Provost whom they also got rid of later), if I get wind HR over there is saying things they shouldn't, the union will still be there for me to deal with it.

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u/Busy_Signature_5681 5d ago

Without that 83. They wouldn’t be making 52 an hour.

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u/grizzlychicken 5d ago

I mean, most positions would probably pay more than 3% less if they weren't unionized, so it's a win overall.

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u/fallwind 5d ago

I'm with Insinööriliiton (it's Finnish), and yeah, it's ~37euro a month for my dues and I saved more that on the deal my union has with the bank for my mortgage.

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u/Superhawk12 5d ago

I Block Every Walkway :-) I too am union but my buddy is a plumber and they say this is what the sparkys union stands for lol

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u/zedication 5d ago edited 5d ago Helpful

83$ in union dues is best money ever spent. There is no way you’d be paid 52$/hr if there wasn’t a union.

Edit: I was very specific when I said “if there wasn’t a union”. I did not say because you are part of the union. The union benefits everyone, not just its own members.

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u/Duchamp1945 5d ago

This: Nobody is paid what they are worth. They are paid what they negotiate. A good union is worth every penny.

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u/waterbelowsoluphigh 5d ago

Totally agree, people need to stop seeing profit as something to chase. Capitalism inherently requires the laborer to give up most of their value to the capitalist, because "they are job creators". The profit is derived from your surplus value and unions help you to keep more of your surplus value. We need more unions.

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u/-CaptainCrack- 5d ago

But you could buy an xbox at the end of the year with the money spent on dues

/s

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u/Nyarro 5d ago

But I want a PS5... : <

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u/PunAboutBeingTrans 5d ago

Well you can't buy that no matter what you make

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u/SlunkIre 5d ago

Same here, no way I'd be getting my hourly rate without the Union. Think my dues are around $40 p/w and the difference in hourly rate id say even working 10/ 20 hours at a different job would pay for that. So I'm 20/30 hours a week in the plus.

Not to mention all the other benefits they negotiate for me, vision, dental, health and wellness, safety boots allowance, working conditions etc. No doubt my company would would nickel & dime so I don't mind paying a little per week for someone to negotiate on my behalf.

I'd have far less money without the Union, $40 per week is a great investment IMO

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u/Lazerith22 5d ago

Those dues are actually about 4X what I pay for mine. Still super worth it.

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u/ObligationWarm5222 5d ago

It's about 5x my dues but he makes almost twice as much as I do, so I'd gladly pay $80 a week to make $52 an hour.

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u/swunt7 5d ago

you all are missing that its most likely percentage based because he's taking $50/hr home and $2.08/hr is his dues.

to me it looks like 4%. I'd gladly give 4% to force my corpo overlords to pay me 50% more.

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u/Thexnxword 5d ago

I don't think anyone missed it tbh.. I think we are all in agreement 🤝🏾

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u/NervousFarter14 5d ago

Thank you!

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u/C4242 5d ago

I make $35 an hour, and I pay 1 hour wages per week.

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u/Lazerith22 5d ago

Agreed. I just wanted to put it out there so it’s not discouraging to people making $10/hour thinking that losing that much isn’t worth it. It is because you can then be paid what you’re actually worth.

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u/Kiggus 5d ago

This is more than my paycheck for 80 hours a week, and I’m still making more than I have at any other restaurant. Wish I had a union tho :(

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u/ObligationWarm5222 5d ago

If you're in the restaurant industry, everyone is hiring, like always. I'd try to unionize cause you can always find another restaurant to work at if things go south (assuming you aren't able to sue for wrongful termination)

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u/luke4409 5d ago

I'm so glad my new job is union. Guaranteed raises and time off. Boss won't bother you on time off. It's great. And a couple weeks ago my boss tried giving me shit about taking a lunch break (we only get a full 30 min if we work 6+ hours and I worked just under 6 but with my break it was just over 6) and my union rep happened to be standing right there and that conversation was immediately shut down. Was pretty sweet.

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u/lordorwell7 4d ago

No no no you don't understand! You don't actually want leverage with your employer!

Because... reasons.

Compelling, persuasive reasons.

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u/LittleHornetPhil 4d ago

Because if we have to pay you more, we’ll have less money which means less money will trickle down to you!

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u/Caroniver413 4d ago

Don't you see the $80/week dues on the sheet! Clearly, that offsets several extra dollars per hour, job security, paid vacation time, etc, etc!

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u/SaveBandit987654321 5d ago

My husband’s union provides no-premium health insurance in exchange for like $85 a month in union dues. When we had my insurance we paid $800 a month in premiums

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u/Birdie121 5d ago

Yup my union get us a guaranteed annual pay raise, and dental + eye insurance. Absolutely worth the small dues.

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u/gaurddog 4d ago

As someone who has worked union and non jobs, insurance cannot be overstated in regards to one of the biggest values you get.

Did my other job have insurance? Absolutely! The deductable was half my yearly wage and max out of pocket was over ten grand. My current deductable is what I make in 2 wks and my max OOP is less than a months pay.

To be clear I'm aware that sounds like an insane thing to be celebrating to folks outside the US, but trust me when I say I'm one of the few Americans who won't go bankrupt immediately if I get sick. Especially since I can and do pay a $1 extra for hospitalization and long-term illness insurance each month.

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u/Naive-Boss9303 5d ago

Would love to join a Massachusetts one but never went in person assuming you had to know someone. Because I have known people with no experience getting in.

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u/stealthkoopa 5d ago

Usually it's the workplace that's unionized. If you're hired for the job you'll be in the union

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u/Twenty5Euro 5d ago

I believe it is illegal to be forced to join a union as a condition of employment. But I could be wrong, as I often am.

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u/OssiansFolly 5d ago

You are not. It was a SCOTUS ruling that was aimed at nuking union membership and therefore strength.

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u/b-rar abolish mods 5d ago

Janus only applies to public employees. There are still plenty of unionized private workplaces that compel dues payment as a condition of employment, making the question of whether or not a particular worker is a "member" of the union more or less academic

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u/Crying_Reaper 5d ago

Unless it's a right to work state. Then people cannot be forced to pay dues/join a union. It's a way to break unions.

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u/Anticyclonic_Comrade 5d ago

Yeah. That's why my area in my "right to work" state has a median income of like $30k annually. Some counties as low as $20k.

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u/Henrys_Bro TRADE UNIONIST 5d ago

It should be like that. If someone wants to shop at costco and have all of the benefits of shopping there, they have to be a member. There are other places to shop. The same with Unions, nobody is forcing someone to join but if you don't, you will not have access to all of the benefits that comes with collective bargaining. They can negotiate their own wages and benefits on their own, nobody should be allowed representation without being a member.

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u/stealthkoopa 5d ago

That must have been recent

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u/btmc 5d ago

Janus v. AFSCME, 2018

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u/Dimmer06 5d ago

Janus sucks but it does only apply to the public sector. Private sector unions can require all people under a contract to pay dues.

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u/Zakkana SocDem 5d ago

Only under so-called "right to work" laws. If there is none on the books, then union membership is still optional but you can still be made to pay fees and such. RTW laws are fully anti-union because they also stipulate that the non-members are entitled to the same protections from the union without having to pay for it, thus creating an incentive to not join the union because "Why pay for something I'll get for fee anyways?" which then starves the union of money.

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u/meamemg 5d ago

It varies from state to state. It's illegal in so called "right to work" states, but not in other states

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u/Magrowers 5d ago

They have apprentice programs where you get paid to learn (pay is reduced but hey!) electric operating engineers, painters. They all have apprentice programs. You just need to apply.

Edit sometimes they are hard to get in and you need to wait. There is def a waitlist. But with build back better everyone is going to need people.

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u/SkinsPunksDrunks 5d ago

I’m in a Union gig. In training and being paid union wage while doing cdl testing and job training. I love the pay and it’s hard af. But in the eve I make it through successfully and I’ll have a career.

The benefits and protections are so awesome. I can’t believe we’ve allowed unions to be destroyed. I never thought I’d have this opportunity.

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u/Magrowers 5d ago

I know whenever I see some place vote not to go union I can’t understand why. I mean talk about drinking the corporate koolaid and voting against your interests.

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u/Fair_Adhesiveness849 5d ago

$80/paycheck is totally fine with me if I’m getting $52/hour

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u/tido11986 5d ago Silver Got the W

Union wage information that is GUARANTEED. Also, you don't get fired, you get laid off, so you can collect unemployment. No phone calls outside of working hours, no nonsense. Just get in, do your work, and go home. Safety is #1 priority at all times, and you are given time to make sure you are safe. Guaranteed lunch where you aren't bothered, no nonsense.

Here is the link to the official wage sheet.

https://www.carpentersunionlocal13.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Wage-Sheet-2022.pdf

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u/Lylyluvda916 5d ago

Honesty,unions are worth every damn penny for the reasons you just listed.

I used to work in retail while I was going to school. I hated it.

The work environment is so good for my mental health. so does getting yearly wage increases.

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u/Caledric Retired Union Rep 5d ago

Don't forget to point out that you can claim your dues on your taxes as well.

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u/handsomelevatorguy 5d ago

Not anymore. Trump got rid of that.

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u/fkivxvii 5d ago

Fuck that dude.

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u/Morgell at work 5d ago

That's US. Elsewhere (maybe not everywhere) you can. I'm Canadian and do my partner's taxes every year.

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u/tido11986 5d ago

I had NO clue about this! I will have to look into this now. Has this changed since the recent tax update and not allowing us to claim our work related items on our taxes?

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u/handsomelevatorguy 5d ago

You can't do it anymore. Trump stopped it in 2018.

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u/Fit-Plant-306 5d ago

Trump, the house and the senate collectively dismantling the middle class even more

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u/handsomelevatorguy 5d ago

That's way to simplistic.

The house and the senate are just offices. The people in those offices are responsible. In this case Republicans controlled all of them, So Trump, McConnel and Ryan. Those are the ones responsible for this tax reform.

When Democrats had control they passed the American Rescue Plan (2021), and Inflation Reduction Act (2022). These are good for the middle class. We would've had Build Back Better but Joe Manchin is POS.

Scary part is that under Trumps tax plan taxes are gonna start going up in 2025 and Democrats lost the house. Without some republicans flipping Dems wont be able to fix things in time. This is why people need to vote, and they need to vote for their interests.

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u/Fit-Plant-306 5d ago

Personal exemptions come back then? Or the $10k/$5k maximum goes away I should say?

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u/lrrc49 5d ago

They basically set everything good for middle class tax payers to expire but the cuts for the 1% don’t expire.

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u/handsomelevatorguy 5d ago

Didn't even mention your $39.39 in benefits bringing your true payrate to $91.40. So to go non union and match what you make you'd have to negotiate $91.40 per hour and you'd still lose the perks you mentioned above.

Live better work union is true.

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u/tido11986 5d ago

That's what the link is for, it's our full package, lol.

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u/lazy_pancha 5d ago

Bro. I’m a union civil engineer and this is what I make 🤣🤣. Our dues are less (1% every 2 weeks) but we pay health care separately at $150/month & no hiring hall. Every time I talk to students I promote trades as an alternative to going thru 4 years of college (debt) and 4 years of work plus 2 extremely hard and expensive tests. US need more engineers but we are worthless without skilled trades.

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u/tido11986 5d ago

We need each other, just don't be one of those college punks that thinks he knows everything but can't screw in a light bulb....we hate them.

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u/Summonest 5d ago

80 bucks seems like a lot on a pay stub, until you see that your rate is $52.

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u/gaurddog 4d ago

At my old job we made $29/hrly and were union.

We always laughed when the bosses asked us to stay 10.minutes late to clean or something and called it paying our dues

Because 45 min of overtime a check literally paid our monthly union dues.

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u/dsdvbguutres 5d ago

It's worth every penny when your boss says something idiotic and you hit him back with "ima run that by my union rep" and at that moment your boy realizes he done fouled up.

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u/poopfartbananas 5d ago

Sorry people are so hateful here.. I don’t work, but my husband is a boilermaker and we love the Union.

They are the only people who truly value him and treat him as such. $50 in dues and we have all great insurances. He picks when and where he works and for how much. He’ll make about $130-150k this year, and he’s worth that! He spent a few months in CA working this year (where they pay into vacation) and it’s already 6 grand. And like you said, always gets unemployment when he is not working bc he is laid off, not fired. Almost always gets a job paying per diem.

Last non union job he had was during Covid and the company laid everyone off, only to never call them again…ever…only kept family on during the time when everyone needed work. I was livid. Only took that job to be close to me, and it bit him in the ass.

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u/tido11986 5d ago

That can happen from time to time, but overall, well worth it.

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u/classless_classic 5d ago

I’ll pay $83 dues to make $52 an hour and have good benefits/job security.

People are crazy to bitch about dues.

This is why greedy corporations HATE unions.

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u/tido11986 5d ago

Agreed, together we bargain, divided we beg!

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u/MrKB88 5d ago

Just accepted an offer for an union the other day. Start next month. Pretty stoked about it.

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u/CatastrophicCraxy 5d ago

I'm probably bias, my dad was union steward for the UFCW at his grocery job most of my life til his retirement. But that's a solid pay rate for a carpenter. You made in a week what I make in 3.5 working 30 billable/40 total hours as a rehabilitation neuromuscular therapist. And you have guaranteed pension, insurance and bargaining power. Work wherever you want it in the States. No on call or after hours nonsense. You have achieved what many on this sub would call the perfect setup. Go to work. Do the job. Go home. Get paid a living wage with solid benefits and a retirement plan. Guaranteed work year round. No excessive drama, and a person and a board whose sole purpose is to have your back when problems arise. Congratulations

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u/-CaptainCrack- 5d ago

Adjusted for inflation from the 70's the average trades wage should be $50 an hour

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u/Beautiful_Emu_6314 5d ago

You could say that about many jobs

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u/CommieSchmit Anarcho-Syndicalist 5d ago

Hell yeah I’m at 42$ an hour at UPS, Teamsters union. We just voted out Jimmy Hoffa Jr (he was in bed w/management) and voted in new, more radical president. AC in the trucks next contract or we’re striking!!

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u/-InfiniteDifficulty 5d ago

My bf is a teamster and he makes twice as much of not nearly 3 times as much as me after taxes. He gets hammered with taxes too. Completely free health insurance. Tons of vacation time. He’s got it made.

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u/Shenanigaens 5d ago

Hell yeah! Anti- union limp dicks out there will try to convince people that the unions are ripping you off with the dues, but fuck that. Dues are JOB SECURITY, dues are RETIREMENT, dues are HEALTHCARE! I gladly pay my dues every month and every check. Even a shitty Union (looking at you, TDCJ) is worth it.

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u/Practical_Address300 5d ago

Small price to pay for job security

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u/cadmus1890 5d ago

Dues only sound expensive because you've never been paid well enough to pay them.

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u/MrCereuceta 5d ago

uNiOn wOrKeRs hAvE tO pAy dUeS

  • Some Kohls middle-management boot-licker making $22.50/hr with a $130/month insurance deduction that would rat you out to HR if you were 5min late, probably.
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u/Boring_Reflection642 5d ago

The shit is VACATION for?

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u/renothedog 5d ago

My last union job subtracts wage for vacation. You don’t get PTO, instead they create a pool for you to pay yourself from for when you need off from work. It’s a 50/50 argument when they also paid 100% into our pension and it vested fully at 20 years

Electrician

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u/IssaDatBoiMura 5d ago

Idk how people really believe unions are bad. Do bad ones exist? Absolutely. Are they all bad? Fuck no. Unionize and work for what you’re worth.

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u/SableSheltie 5d ago

I waited tables while laid off from my union job and when I was called back I quit immediately w/o notice. Apologized to the mgr who was quite mad bc I was a good dependable waitress working a shit shift nobody else wanted (5 am start time, no customers until 6).

Mgr made a remark about union dues taking half my check up. I came by for my last paycheck a couple months late (I was busy af with all the OT) and showed that rat bastard my union paycheck. He looked sad and sad I was making more than him. Fuck you Bob.

I did miss the excellent free coffee but with that union pay I could buy even better coffee.

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u/tido11986 5d ago

Fuck you Bob! ✊

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u/RunKind4141 5d ago

52.01 an hour, NICE!

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u/Ok-Letterhead4601 5d ago

I am a airline gse mechanic and have a union, it is the first time I worked a union job and it’s been great. I don’t have to battle for a raise, I know what I’m getting and when. My medical is pretty good and don’t get any flack for using my vacation time or sick leave and they fight for cost of living adjustments. The dues come out to about $40 a month and if management steps out of line the union has come in hard on them to cut the bs.

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u/BaldEaglz1776 5d ago

Yup, made just under $4000 last week,65 hours and the company pays all my benefits/retirement. Who wouldn’t want to be union?

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u/justinjonesphd 5d ago

$52 an hour. I can't even imagine that

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u/userlyfe 5d ago

Exactly. I’ve been a union member for years and it’s about $200/yr for my particular Union. And they are constantly working to improve conditions for everyone in my industry- not just union members. For me, being a member is a no-brainer. Sad there has been so much anti-Union propaganda for so long

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u/LostSecondaryAccount 5d ago

If I need to pay 80 dollars a paycheck to make 52 an hour then sign me the fuck up

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u/ElecThroww 5d ago

I want to leave this. Copy paste of a post I made nearly a year ago breaking down my union dues vs benefits provided for a full year. I know it's a block of text but it is a good overview. The numbers HAVE NOT been updated since the time of original post.

I've seen a few comments/posts(as well as in life) where people ask how much union dues are each month, what they go towards, what you get from them and whether they are worth paying. So based on this observation, I wanted to give out a bit of info on union dues as I've experienced them in the hopes more people can at least have a better understanding of them.

Same quick background info on me. I'm am a member of the IBEW and am currently a 5th year Inside Wire electrical apprentice in Local 46(Seattle Area). I pay dues every month to my union and I definitely feel they are worth every penny and more as you'll see when I go over the numbers. The numbers I use will be based on our Journey Wireman(JW) package and pay scale.

Wage and Benefit Numbers will be below and are based on our current Collective Bargaining Agreement(CBA)

Wage: 62.27/hr

NEBF(National Electrical Benefit Fund, a pension): $1.87/hr

Medical Plan: $10.20/hr

Local Pension: $10.38/hr

401k: $2.25/hr

Total Package: $87.80/hr

Those are the wages and benefits of our CBA. To clarify these numbers, this is how our members has voted to allocate our negotiated package whenever we vote in a new contract. Which technically means IF the membership had voted over years, the allocations could have gone all to our wage, or any other combination. IF the members voted to over the years it could be a 42.27/hr wage with say a 30.38/hr towards pension instead. Hopefully that helps you understand the numbers a little bit and that these numbers are voted on by the membership when we accept a new CBA and choose how to allocate our raise to each of these categories. So this is how we have chosen to allocate our contracts over the years.

Onto our dues. Our basic dues are $46.50/mo + 1.5% Working dues + 1% Organizing dues. This is paid each month to Local 46.

Onto the math of dues vs benefits. I'm going to use 160 hours as a basis for hours worked per month. Based on that, a JW will earn $9,963.20 gross pay each month. Now out of that amount comes dues. So we would be looking at this equation 46.50+(2.5%*$9,963.20). This comes out to $295.58 per month. So over the course of a year a JW will pay roughly $3,546.96 in dues.

While this sounds like a lot, it really isn't because the additional monetary benefits(Med, Pensions, 401k, etc) are paid by the contractor we work for and DOES NOT come out of our wage itself. So to put the monetary benefits into perspective, a JW will have per month:

$299.20 NEBF Pension paid by contractor $1,632 in medical paid by contractor $1,660.80 towards Local Pension paid by contractor $360 towards 401k Total Benefits Monthly: $3,952 Total Benefits Yearly: $47,424 Total Dues Yearly: $3,546.96 As you can see, with the additional benefits paid BY THE EMPLOYER not out of our paycheck, we get a return of nearly 13 times what we pay into dues. That's JUST the monetary side of our benefits not counting our wages on top of it.

Some other things to consider is that we also end up banking excess medical plan payments for up to 6 months currently. That means, if I wanted I could choose not to work and STILL have medical coverage for up to 6 months as long as I keep up with my basic dues(the $46.50) and remain in good standing. Also for medical because it's a Union plan, the medical benefits follow us from contractor to contractor with no lapse(no waiting a month or two for the benefits to kick in again.).

We also get the backing of the union if we choose to solve disputes. I myself have used the representation provided by the union to have a pay issue resolved after a contractor tried to dodge giving me payment, once the union got involved it was fixed within 24 hours.

Another benefit is the ability to have the union send a representative to be present in a disciplinary issue. This basically means for a contractor to actually discipline me, they would have to speak with a union rep first and can't just force me out of work for a week or change my schedule as a punishment.

Honestly, there are quite a few more benefits that aren't monetary in nature that we get by being a part of this union, but that should give you an idea of what a good union can do for you as a worker. I hope this helps answer peoples questions or at least clarifies what dues are and what you really get out of them. Also to note, every union will be different in its dues structure and its benefits, even within the IBEW and it's various locals there is different levels of pay, dues, and benefits provided for each individual union.

I will be honest that I don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes, but I will do my best to answer questions if I have the knowledge to do so.

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u/508trevor 5d ago

Just a thought, people who say "my union sucks and doesn't do anything for us" are typically the ones who never show up to meetings and vote.

If you're in a union you should be involved.

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u/Shrikeangel 5d ago

My experience is it really depends on the union. I had a really bad experience with teamsters a couple years back - basically their deal with ups allowed ups to do some shady shit for seasonal hires: asked seasonal for dues, but did nothing for seasonal workers.

Now the steel workers union has been super solid with my current job.

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u/tido11986 5d ago

Absolutely!

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u/catfarts99 5d ago

Just buried my mom. Going through her papers, I saw how much my dad's union retirement took care of her. $900 a month plus amazing medical insurance and social security. My dad died 20 years before she did. She would have been homeless if my dad wasn't union. I will be a Union supporting Democrat until I die.

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u/ThesaddestMillenial 5d ago

Thanks for posting. Get a union, beautiful workers!

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u/overmonk 5d ago

Unions are the OG anti work heroes. If you can join one you 100% should - but only you know if you truly can. Some places you can, but they’ll still fuck you somehow. Looking at Starbucks and Toyota.

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u/tido11986 5d ago

Yes, I'm so proud of this generation for standing and fighting, but so distraught with the management that is fighting it TOOTH AND NAIL to get their next nut.....trash

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u/duckey41 5d ago

So basically your union membership costs less than an hour and a half of labor per week. That would be a great deal seeing as they can help get me high enough to pay the dues, my bills, and afford rent. I’m down. Walmart get on it. I want a Union

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u/ConsequenceFull7320 5d ago

That’s so small considering you are making $52 an hour!! That’s incredible!!

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u/notorious-bil 5d ago

Since lots of people don’t get it. This is not a flex about the pay, it’s showing what a union/skilled trade will get you.

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u/tido11986 5d ago

Yes, thank you. I'm hopping that this generation unionizes the country!

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u/Severe_Information51 4d ago

$83 per month to get $52 per hour? 100% worth it.

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u/Tuloks 5d ago

The most valuable part of unions for me is that in every board meeting there is a rep there solely to represent the interest of the work force. These meetings are where all the plotting of how to skim more and more off you happens. Having someone at the table is priceless. Worth every penny of dues

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u/ckiekow 5d ago

My dad was a Teamster. He did not mind the Union Dues because the benefits and pay far outweighed them.

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u/BigALep5 5d ago

Im in the local 247 and its been the best thing to happen in my life! Was working wrong my whole life! Every work place should have a union!

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u/OhioConfidential 5d ago

Man. I make $13.75 an hour. 😑 (I'm 1 year sober so I guess I'm doing the best I can). I feel discouraged though. 😕

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u/Wynd_Runner 5d ago

Yes, I'm glad you posted this. I'm a unionized worker making $70k / yr and pay $100/month in union dues.

It is a small amount and worth the representation and peace of mind.

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u/foxkreig 4d ago

IBEW. This last bi weekly pay.
Gross 3,703, 111 hours.
Taxes 540 dues 259.
Take home 2,899.

I'll keep myself in good standing thanks.

F right to work and the Republican scam trying to keep the real workers in the country on the plantation living check to check.

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u/Bankerag 4d ago

If unions were not effective, giant corporations would not spend hundreds of millions of dollars and often even break to law, to stop their formation.

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u/NapkinsOnMyAnkle 4d ago

Divided we beg, united we bargain.

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u/MyNameIsntFelix 4d ago

I balked when I was told the union at the railroad I work for cost $60 a month, but I joined anyway because I'm tired of being completely at the mercy of employers and not being able to defend myself or see any change in the workplaces I've been part of before. Once I got through training, my pay went up substantially and the $60 is affordable and an amount I won't even miss.

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u/last-resort-4-a-gf 4d ago

We just got a $12/h raise ..

Um good with unions

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u/Thesheriffisnearer 5d ago

But if you don't pay dues you could afford a gaming system at the end of the year

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u/markovianprocess 5d ago

Oh that fucking Delta flier 🙄 "Here read this stupid propaganda, dummies, because we think you're all dumb children".

I've been in the IAMAW for about 6 and a half years. I'm a grown-ass man, I'd rather pay union dues and have a future with a pension than have a fucking gaming system thanks.

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u/V_I_I 5d ago

Not bad at all, as a truck driver it's basically impossible to find a job working 40 hours a week that nets 1500 or more.

This makes me want to join one tbh

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u/wannabejoanie 5d ago

God I want my husband to unionize his workplace so badly. He works for a corporate distribution center.

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u/zxcoblex 5d ago

I’m in lower management overseeing union employees. I’m not in the union.

People don’t get that unions help people like me too.

I only make as much money as I do because they make as much money as they do.

They negotiate rates for benefits. I get the same rates.

Without the union for my employees, I’d make a lot less as well.

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u/Sonova_Vondruke at work 5d ago

$52 per hour? ... Damn

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u/tubularmusic 5d ago

IATSE here and 3% is more than worth it. ORGANIZE!!!

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u/EveningRing1032 5d ago

Union dues at my company are 1.75%

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u/LouisSaintJust1789 5d ago

Here’s the thing: Union pay is usually significantly higher than non union pay. Even if half of (and this never happens) your pay went to dues, you’d still be making more in a union

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u/BSNCTR 5d ago

This looks like a good thing to me? $52/hr is pretty damn good and having to give $2/hr for the stability, security, and negotiated good pay of the union looks fully worth it. So I can only assume this is posted to Antiwork to prove the benefits of a union!

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u/Willing_Vanilla_6260 5d ago

Scroll all the way to the right.

That rate of 52??

Thank your fucking union.

Signed, non union member making way less

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u/maw6495 4d ago

We are at $81/he plus bennies, union electrician San jose ca

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u/abanabee 4d ago

My teacher union is $118 a month and I gladly pay it every month!

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u/Euphoric-Ad-6584 4d ago

Oh no I spent 83 bucks a paycheck to get 25 bucks an hour more….. what a NIGHTMARE

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u/Docsmit23 4d ago edited 4d ago

Thanks for posting this, been working union for seven years and it is undoubtedly the best decision I’ve ever made. I never HAVE to work overtime but when I am asked I do because I WANT the money, but if they ask I don’t have to say yes and they can’t do anything about it and I think that’s great. I agree that if any individual doesn’t want to work anymore than forty hours, they shouldn’t have to.

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u/MoisterOyster19 4d ago

In my state, people in my field make 70k/year starting. After advancing make 120k and with OT can make 200k. Paid vacation/paid sick leave. No sick leave investigation (168 hours sick and 168 hours vacation) so thats 28 of our 12 hour shifts off total per year. . Paid holidays plus OT on holidays worked. We can also convert any OT to comp time and use that for additional paid leave.. We get paid mileage and travel time for all OT. Set schedules. Also only work 14 days a month

Meanwhile other states are making like $13-20/hr with none of these protections or benefits.

Why? Bc my state has a strong union for my line of work. Our union also protects us and makes it very hard for them to fire us.

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u/aacerr 4d ago

I would need to work 106 hours a week to make what you made pre-tax. And that’s including time and half for the overtime.

Unions are vital.

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u/SuchVillage694 4d ago

As a southerner this enrages me. Everyone in my area talk about how bad unions are but every once in a while someone will go up north for contracted work and bring back these glorious stories of the sweet ass working conditions that the union guys were guaranteed. Now I see a pay stub of a union check???? I don’t understand how or why people around here can get fucked so badly and then defend it with a smile on their faces while talking shit about unions. It’s mind numbing

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u/probjustheretochil 5d ago

My dues equal about a hours of work, like 24 bucks on every paycheck every 2 weeks

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u/Liqu1dHotMagma 5d ago

I'm a union sheet model worker. Our dudes end up being about 6%. That's because our international did dues check off, which takes a percentage out of our check, plus over the counter dues that we pay each month. Regardless, I still make far more money than a non-union sheet metal worker.

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u/Fdragon69 5d ago

But how will you support yourself when that 80$ is gone every week! /s

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u/Rikbiel 5d ago

Could never imagine making $52 an hour

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u/tido11986 5d ago

It's changed my life.